Nascar penalizes the 96 more heavily for an honest mistake than they
penalize the 48 for flat out deliberate cheating.

Yep, I can see that Nascar is soooo concerned about the small, start-up
teams.

Can someone please offer a plausible explanation of how this is fair from
any point of view?

Welcome to Nascar, Troy & Roger. Please bend over, and I hope you brought
your own lube...

"armpit" <udontneedit (AT) myemail (DOT) addy> wrote

Just like they were concerned with the "core fan" back in 2000-2001 (per
Mike Helton). In regard to the old time, money spending, travels to many
distant races each year core fan, they invented the Chase and moved several
races to expanding markets (re: to court new fans).

NASCAR has become the best ventriliquist I know, as they can speak out of
3-4 sides of one mouth, at one time. The new fans don't know any better, and
the old fans don't count anymore.

NASCAR is the 400 lb gorilla?

I for one am totally mystified. This isn't even one of those grey
area/matter of interpretation deal. In Nascar's own words the Knaus deal was
"blatant cheating" while the 96 team was a "legitimate mistake." Both
infractions occured at the same time and were discovered in the same
procress, yet like you said the honest mistake gets docked 25 points, while
the blatant cheating doesn't.

That's just a slap on the wrist. The Hendrick team is deep, and as Sunday
showed Chad's being gone doesn't mean diddly squat. How do they not get
penalized points, after Todd Berrier and Kevin Harvick last year. Nascar is
giving less of a penalty for something just as severe. Also add to this that
Knaus has gotten caught cheating, bending, breaking rules on multiple
occassions, and all they do is give him a 4 week vacation! Sure, JJ may have
raced a legal car on Sunday, but the point is it would have been illegal had
they not gotten caught.

How can Nacar be so consistently inconsistent?

"armpit" <udontneedit (AT) myemail (DOT) addy> wrote

"Dan" wrote ...
But in nascar's warped reality THEY (and apparently only they) think the
suspension is WORSE than losing points. (THEY seem to not be aware that the 48
won under these DIRE circumstances nascar placed them under as they are still
certain the suspension is *awful awful* punishment.)


Yes!



n-a-s-c-a-r

ain't that the truth. but I don't have a problem with this penalty. Sure, it
supposedly isn't their fault but you don't know if JGR and HOF were cooking
something up to try to get the 96 an early break, but a bad is a bad and they
screwed up.

But when compared to the 48 penalty, that's when it makes you wonder. And
*nothing*, not peep 1 about the 20/17. Yep, that's when it makes you wonder.

"WildWeasel" <wweasel_24 (AT) HooYah (DOT) com> wrote

I don't think it was on purpose. I just don't think you put a cheater carb
on the car for qualifying when you have no shot at the pole and you are
guaranteed a starting spot from the past champs provisional.

The HoF penalty was fine, maybe a little heavy-handed for a first offense,
but not out of line.

The penalty for the 48 was incredibly light considering their history of
violations.

"armpit" wrote ...
Same with the 48 - WHY?

The 20/17 is explainable, but not penalized ...

Maybe that's it, nascar is now only penalizing things that don't make any sense.
If you can explain "why" they're ok with that.

I wonder if Mike Helton's personal garage is full of the cheater parts like
Bill Gazaway's used to be back in the 60's and 70's.He used to lay the parts
out in the garage area with tags attached that named the car # and then
after the race they dissapeared into his garage.

"armpit" <udontneedit (AT) myemail (DOT) addy> wrote

John Bowen wrote:
They're probably tagged and labeled for display in Nascar's R & D
center.

N.

"Nancy1" <nancy-dooley (AT) uiowa (DOT) edu> wrote

Would make a rather large wing in the new HoF, wherever they
decide to put it. Personally, I think it belongs in Charlotte.
And, if that speedway was owned by ISC, there wouldn't be any
hesitation.

"Dan" <draymond (AT) insightbb (DOT) com> wrote

Just keep track of this for the Chase. JJ should currently be in a tie with
Stewart for 4th in points. JJ would be shown in 4th due to his "more wins"
this season but should have only 160 points.