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are we in a new *Modern Era*??
Nascar NASCAR and other professional stock car racing (rec.autos.sport.nascar)
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Re: are we in a new *Modern Era*?? -
02-08-2005
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"btgoss" <btgoss (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote in message news:6V8Od.4651$sA.446 (AT) fe09 (DOT) lga... If you think things are bad now, just wait. If the rumouras about a new engine scheme are true, well things are going to get really interesting. But if you have really been watching it should come as no surprise. The cars will all basically be identical. The shape is the same, the chassis is basically the same, and now the engines will basically be the same. If it can be beleived, NASCAR Cup racing will soon be a spec racer class. You just have to look to CART and the IRL to see that this type of thinking doesn't seem to work, but to be honest NASCAR is not selling racing anymore, they are selling the personalities that race. And that is a big difference. So the cars become of lesser importance. It will finally mean the end of the smaller team. As it stands now you or I couldn't get a Toyota truck team started, unless we could convince Toyota that we are a bunch of internet millionaires or something, and how likely is that to happen? Brit btgoss You're preaching to the choir dude. NASCAR need only look as far as IROC to see that a "high level" spec racing series is not going to cut it, but as you say, that is where they are trying to head. And you're right about Toyota. If you aren't in bed with them, you don't get engines from them, and THEY exclusively supply all the engines to the various Tundra teams through TRD (a move that prompted Ford to centralize their engine program between Roush and Yates IMO). And now Honda is talking about coming in, and have also introduced a truck for public consumption, and may very well be in the CTS by 2007. Now, combine this, with the rumblings from Detroit that they want more "stock appearing cars, for better brand identity", blended with their "concerns that Toyota and Honda will price them out of competition" with their NASCAR budgets, and I don't think it is *that* far fetched to think that in 20 years, there may be only one, or maybe even NONE, of the domestic Big 3 left in NASCAR. I know that certain execs/rumorists have said that if and when Honda comes into Nextel Cup, that Ford will be the first (of the big 3) manufacturers to leave. (Pontiac made the leap, and appear to be doing okay in racing with their Grand Am/Rolex program, and their Holden-based GTO seems to be doing ok on the car lots as well...seems they don't miss NASCAR, at all. This is a precedent that surely can't fall on all-deaf ears in Daytona, but they'll never admit it. And is the reason they have opened their arms to import makes IMO) And why shouldn't these 2 Japanese companies (and more) look at NASCAR? Brian France has it in his mind that it is the greatest racing league on the planet, and surely Toyota and Honda see greater potential for the return on their investment in it since they can't compete with Ferrari in F1 anymore, and surely NASCAR budgets are WAY lower than F1 budgets...I can see Mercedes-Benz taking a second look at their F1 efforts soon too, and if they can't compete the next few years, then who knows what sort of tack Dodge will take over here in the US racing series'. |
to it, the Frances will have no one to blame but themselves for ever leaving
the stock area of the sport. concessions made to the big 3 for
"performance" issues were the very beginning, instead of standing up to the
manufacturers and telling them "tough crap, build a COMPETITIVE car" NASCAR
gave in to the *bratty kids* and now they have a monster on their hands and
don't know how to control it.
Put the "S" back NA$CAR...
mike................
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| they created this monster and now they have to feed it. when it comes down to it, the Frances will have no one to blame but themselves for ever leaving the stock area of the sport. concessions made to the big 3 for "performance" issues were the very beginning, instead of standing up to the manufacturers and telling them "tough crap, build a COMPETITIVE car" NASCAR gave in to the *bratty kids* and now they have a monster on their hands and don't know how to control it. |
NASCAR got into the business of designing car parts. Once they started to
dictate sheetmetal the automakers had no choice but to go the concession
route since it was NASCAR changes that were arbitrarily providing some
breeds better performance characteristics than others.
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-Mike-
mike6963REMOVE (AT) alltel (DOT) net
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"JerseyMike" <clamdigger724 (AT) yahoo (DOT) com> wrote in message news:PGbOd.175425$w62.84846 (AT) bgtnsc05-news (DOT) ops.worldnet.att.net... they created this monster and now they have to feed it. when it comes down to it, the Frances will have no one to blame but themselves for ever leaving the stock area of the sport. concessions made to the big 3 for "performance" issues were the very beginning, instead of standing up to the manufacturers and telling them "tough crap, build a COMPETITIVE car" NASCAR gave in to the *bratty kids* and now they have a monster on their hands and don't know how to control it. Actually, Detroit did a pretty good job of keeping up with the Jones' before NASCAR got into the business of designing car parts. Once they started to dictate sheetmetal the automakers had no choice but to go the concession route since it was NASCAR changes that were arbitrarily providing some breeds better performance characteristics than others. -- -Mike- mike6963REMOVE (AT) alltel (DOT) net |
competitive sports car and wasn't planning on building one to fit the
criteria for NASCAR. they may have made minor changes along the way from
year to year to compensate, i don't really remember to tell the truth, there
might be someone out there who can remember exactly. what's done is done
and as bt goss said "NASCAR is not selling racing anymore, they are selling
the personalities that race." the last few years, it certainly seems that
way.
put the "S" back in NA$CAR...
mike..................
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since '72 we( they/us/everyone) have/has been making comparisons about everything and calling it the modern era, i have to say since the rules change,points system change and all of the new body concepts initiated by NASCAR we have moved into a NEW modern era. no longer can the comparisons be made against what was accomplished by a driver in '75 , '83 , '95 or even 2001. it's time to put those records to bed and let them stand for what they are worth. this is the *New and Improved* version of Nascar and worthy of the term modern era. i say put the "S" back in NA$CAR. mike............... |
has mattered.
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"JerseyMike" <clamdigger724 (AT) yahoo (DOT) com> wrote in message news:HC3Od.172858$w62.104971 (AT) bgtnsc05-news (DOT) ops.worldnet.att.net... since '72 we( they/us/everyone) have/has been making comparisons about everything and calling it the modern era, i have to say since the rules change,points system change and all of the new body concepts initiated by NASCAR we have moved into a NEW modern era. no longer can the comparisons be made against what was accomplished by a driver in '75 , '83 , '95 or even 2001. it's time to put those records to bed and let them stand for what they are worth. this is the *New and Improved* version of Nascar and worthy of the term modern era. i say put the "S" back in NA$CAR. mike............... It is still The Jeff Gordon Era. For the past ten or so years nothing else has mattered. |
a title was this year and he/they couldn't pull it out.
mike..........
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jeff gordon will become less and less a factor every year. his best shot at a title was this year and he/they couldn't pull it out. mike.......... |
including points.
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| jeff gordon will become less and less a factor every year. his best shot at a title was this year and he/they couldn't pull it out. mike.......... Yeah, all he did last year was lead the league in almost every category including points. |
who's counting?
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It is still The Jeff Gordon Era. For the past ten or so years nothing else has mattered. |
as equal of a travesty as how Bush sent 1,500 troops to their deaths in
Iraq. Both should be tried in the Hague.
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Yeah, everything except wins, top 5's, poles, laps led, earnings. But who's counting? |
of them. No added points for "not racing"; just the points from each of
the 36 races. The rumor around town is that Jeff Gordon had more points
awarded from races in 2004 than any other driver. I sure hope Brian France
leaves NA$Cball and buys an NFL franchise. The Vikings are for sale. He
should do that.
Are you any relation to the Wheeler who made the news today in Florida?
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Add up the points for each race in 2004, and tell us all who had the most of them. No added points for "not racing"; just the points from each of the 36 races. |
what's your point?
Dan
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