Well its fine day. (no not a fine day or at least it hasn't started
that way) I wonder what Nascar will add on to Robby's penalty.
Frankly if they do much more to him, we should start turning the set
off and would encourage others that think he was treated unfairly to
do likewise.

Mark wrote:
Tell RG, "let's just move on from here". Doubtful knowing N's track
record. (no pun intended)

Mark <mblackwell1958 (AT) yahoo (DOT) com> writes:

Already done. The series is a farce. Has been for several years.

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"Mark" <mblackwell1958 (AT) yahoo (DOT) com> wrote

Good luck finding someone more critical of NASCAR than I've been, and I'm
no fan of RG either. But he went -way- over the line in flaunting his
disrespect and disregard for their authority. I'm usually the first one to
applaud anyone giving NASCAR grief as they've become too power crazed, but
there still has to be some respect for those in charge once the decision
has been made. Despite his legitimate reasons for being upset, he took it
too far and I can't blame NASCAR if they punish him further.

On Aug 7, 10:18 am, "Hammer" <for... (AT) bout (DOT) it> wrote:
Well I think we agree he had every reason to be mad. Nascar seemed
madder about him trying to go to victory lane and the dual burn outs
than they did about punting Ambrose. Frankly its the intentional
punting that should have them mad, not fouling up their show. Some
penalty I agree was in order, but that has already been handed down.
Personally I don't think he should have been suspended. Nearly
intentionally run over someone on pit road and you don't get
suspended. Put your car in the photos of who they declare the winner
in a situation like this does seems wrong. Just plain wrong. Yet
reasonable people could disagree with that and though I do not think
it was the right move, but I could at least respect it. Any more and
I couldn't and won't. Frankly that is expecting consistency from
Nascar and to quote Kyle Petty when talking about entertainment
yellows he said, "Nascar hasn't ever been consistent at anything."
Right on the button and coming from someone who when he speaks he
almost always has something of value to say. It's that inconsistency
that made this situation even worse than it had to be.

Blown calls are a part of racing. Best thing you can do is admit it
when you make the mistake. Frankly in all the years I have followed
Nascar, I can't remember a single time they said, "We were wrong."
Maybe there has been an occasion but it doesn't come to me off the top
of my head and I go back to the days where an F1 champion was the
color guy on TV.

Anyone else find it a bit odd they sent out Robin Pemberton to talk
about the intergity of the sport in his new job. Seems like if I
recall correctly he made a list a while back of one of the biggest
cheaters in the history of Nascar. Didn't he hold the record for most
fines ever for a while? Most of those were caught by one Gary
Nelson. Hmmm something seems familiar here. Pot, Mr. Kettle on line
1.

"Mark" <mblackwell1958 (AT) yahoo (DOT) com> wrote


He had every reason to be mad but there is no excuse for taking someone out
of the lead of the race like that.

On Tue, 07 Aug 2007 05:32:02 -0700, Mark <mblackwell1958 (AT) yahoo (DOT) com>
wrote:

$35K/probation is a slap on the wrist and shows NASCAR is not serious
about penalizing assholes like him. We should turn off the TV for a
penalty which is too lenient.

Right or wrong, he should have listened to NASCAR, now he is
showboating and still proclaiming that "he is right" and NASCAR is
wrong.

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On Tue, 07 Aug 2007 09:17:41 -0400, Gordon <jimmygator (AT) gmail (DOT) com>
wrote:

Question for you, how did the damage get on the back of Ambrose's car
when he spun Gordon? I bet Gordon passed under the yellow.



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On Tue, 07 Aug 2007 10:11:23 -0700, Mark <mblackwell1958 (AT) yahoo (DOT) com>
wrote:


What penalty? Look at everything he did (and I'll add that letting PJ
jones drive the 7 car negated any penalty since the field in 2008 is
set by owner points for the first 5 races. He'll drive the 7 car and
be ahead of the next one in line by virtue of the PJ Jones points if
it is close)-

1. Refused to listen to NASCAR and restarting 13th

2. Intentionally ramming Ambrose who was leading at the time (This is
where NASCAR is wrong, they should not have gone green with Gordon
where he was)

3. Being out of control, almost hitting Harvick, trying to drive into
victory lane, doing a burnout to be disruptive to the event.

4. Continuously bashing NASCAR and pretending he is right and
justified in everything he did (Actions detrimental to NASCAR IMO)

NASCAR already has a credibility problem and is compared to WWE more
and more every day. To debut in Canada with this kind of childishness
going on does nothing but make the sport look even worse.

We are talking about Gordon, who has a history of qeustionable actions
like:

1. Punting the other Gordon for his most recent win at New Hampshire

2. Roll bar padding deal last year

3. passing under yellow a couple years ago while the field was
frozen. He got caught and used the usual excuse thet "he didn't know"
there was a caution

4. his numerous altercations with Tony Stewart, Dale Jr, Jeff Gordon.

5. His usual inability on a good day to not wreck others (but if you
get his version of the story, it is NEVER his fault)

6. He has been caught more than once cheating I think Daytona 2005 he
got penalized and started with a negative score like Michael Waltrip
this year

This is what Robby Gordon brings to teh table in NASCAR.


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Mike Smith wrote:
The only leniency I see is that KH and MA didn't get penalized for wrecking
other cars.

With that minor penalty, it appears that NASCAR thinks it was the one in the
wrong. This is just face-saving on the part of NASCAR IMO.