Why MM has never won a championship

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"Will" <willt65 (AT) comcast (DOT) net> wrote

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"Will" wrote ...

Well, Kenseth and Busch won titles recently, both in Fords.

RR had threatened legal action unless he got his turn to win so the deal
was either Matt "Who?" Kenseth or no one, so Jack took the deal. nascar
had so much fun with that they gave KuB the title, knowing no one really
liked him and it would really torque Jack to have to be buddy-buddy with
ol' big ears. When KuB left RR ... well that was icing on nascar's
cake.

Sounds like the grassy knoll theory...

Sounds like I was right, and school going back into session meaning a bunch
of folks like you posting here to try and feel important.

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nascar doesn't like Jack Roush.

Or Ford. Chevy is their pet, and always has been. I mean, you don't
see
Ford
advertising how many titles they've won out of so many years during
the
Daytona 500 broadcast, do ya? ;-)

Well, Kenseth and Busch won titles recently, both in Fords.

Congrats on being a fan for at least 5 years. But that's not what I
said,
or
meant. Please do try to keep up.

I've been a fan for 25 years, shithead. But if you want to look at recent
history, then two Fords have won recently. Fact. And frankly, it has
nothing
to do with the allegation that NASCAR hates Roush, since two Roush cars
have
won recently. And secondly, it has nothing to do with my original post
about
MM. Pay attention, numby.

LOL! You are an idiot, and one that is likely less than 25 years old, but
since you're that dense, I will spell it out for you. During the Daytona
500
this past Sunday, Chevy ran ads about winning like 38 of 48 (or some
similar
ratio) of the TOTAL NASCAR Cup titles.

Now, WTF does that have to do with Kenseth and Numbnuts Busch? Fucktard.

Pick up a book and re-learn how to read. The original post was about Mark
Martin. And then some Einstein chimed in that NASCAR hates Jack Roush. Still
with me? I disproved that notion, because two recent titles went to Roush.
Still there? Huh? Now I simply said that Ford has not done that badly
recently. And overall, in NASCAR history, if you want to get to the raw
numbers......ALL TIME WINS, in the history of NASCAR as of the end of
2005.....Chevy 573, Ford 570, according to Jayski. So where is your theory
that Chevy is their pet, prunehole?

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"Will" wrote ...

Well, Kenseth and Busch won titles recently, both in Fords.

RR had threatened legal action unless he got his turn to win so the
deal
was either Matt "Who?" Kenseth or no one, so Jack took the deal.
nascar
had so much fun with that they gave KuB the title, knowing no one
really
liked him and it would really torque Jack to have to be buddy-buddy
with
ol' big ears. When KuB left RR ... well that was icing on nascar's
cake.

Sounds like the grassy knoll theory...

Sounds like I was right, and school going back into session meaning a
bunch
of folks like you posting here to try and feel important.

Oops, looks like I have a little doggie following me around, lol

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[fantasy off]

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SimRacer wrote:
Or Ford. Chevy is their pet, and always has been. I mean, you don't
see Ford advertising how many titles they've won out of so many years
during the Daytona 500 broadcast, do ya? ;-)

The other thought is that FORD SUCKS! Just a suspicion, mind you....

Yeah, the loser posting to hear himself thinks I said Ford had won no
titles, which isn't even on the same page as what I was talking about,
which
was the total number of Chevy titles versus any other make over the course
of NASCAR's history.

You said Chevy was Nascar's "pet," hammerhead. Your words, not mine. You
used the championship number to prove your point. The wins overall tell a
different story. Live it, love it, learn it.

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#25

Mark is what we used to call a"money racer". If you were a car owner and had
several hundred thousand $'s invested in your equipment would you hire a
driver like him who will get the most out of every race or would you rather
have someone who had no respect for your investment. I believe Mark and his
Father financed his first race cars and his Dad taught him to get the most
out of what he had.

"Will" <willt65 (AT) comcast (DOT) net> wrote

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I have a couple ideas as to why Mark Martin has never won a championship.
He will go down as the best driver in Nascar history never to have won a
championship, IMHO. But there are a few reasons why that may be true.
Firstly, the guy is just not an aggressive driver. How many times can you
remember where he bumped someone for a win? Or got into any scrapes for
aggressive driving? Guys like Tony Stewart, Jeff Gordon and Dale Sr. won
championships because they were willing to take some risks if need be. They
weren't afraid to use the bumper if the need arose. So in that respect Mark
is just not aggressive enough. Also, Mark has never been a dominant driver
at restrictor plate tracks, which are four races each year. He constantly
complains about them and never has done very well, unlike Gordon and
Earnhardt. I would love to know his average finish at Daytona and Talledega
compared to other past champions. Basically, he throws away four races
every year. Roush has never been known for its restrictor plate program,
which has hurt Mark over the years. I just don't think you can win a
championship by tossing 4 races out the window. Mark has always done well
at intermediate tracks and road races, but when it comes to restrictor
plates he just isn't guaranteed there.

#26

" Donny Nelms" <tnimmortal (AT) chartertn (DOT) net> wrote

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to add my 2 cents worth the penalty in question was like the 2nd or 3rd
race of the season....so it wasnt like a last few races of the year to
screw him out of the championship. 1990? spring rockingham?

Good point.

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No penalties on each. As for the points penalty on Mark, that was the
year he was neck and neck with Dale. And many people point to that
penalty as what did him in.

#27

Terry Labonte won a couple of titles and he's never been known as somebody
who was overly aggressive and would punt somebody just for the hell of it. I
think that description fits former champions Bobby Labonte, Dale Jarrett and
Bill Elliott as well.

Mark has never won the championship because he's gotten some bad breaks ...
one really bad one in particular ... and luck simply hasn't gone his way.
And to win a championship, you have to be good but you also have to have the
breaks and Lady Luck go your way.

Let's look at the numbers on Mark as far as restrictor plate racing. He's
run 37 restrictor plate races at Daytona, with no wins, eight top-fives and
15 top-10s, and a pole. He's run 36 restrictor plate races at Talladega with
two wins, 10 top-fives and 19 top-10s, and two poles. Not exactly dominant,
but reasonably good. Here's the thing, though. Checking back over these
numbers ... which I obtained at www.racing-reference.com , a site that I
highly recommend to everyone on this forum, they have complete statistics
for every season and box scores for EVERY Grand National/Winston Cup/Nextel
Cup race since Day One ... confirmed something that I pretty much thought
was the case, that Mark has had an awful knack for getting caught up in "The
Big Ones". He's crashed out of three races at Daytona and four at Talladega,
and I'd have to go even deeper into the past, checking news reports of
races, etc., but I seem to remember him finishing a few races at those
tracks in a car that was pieced together with twine and spit and duct tape
after a crash. Again, that has a lot more to do with luck than anything Mark
might have done or not done or whether he's had the right stuff to be a
champion.

"Will" <willt65 (AT) comcast (DOT) net> wrote

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I have a couple ideas as to why Mark Martin has never won a championship.
He
will go down as the best driver in Nascar history never to have won a
championship, IMHO. But there are a few reasons why that may be true.
Firstly, the guy is just not an aggressive driver. How many times can you
remember where he bumped someone for a win? Or got into any scrapes for
aggressive driving? Guys like Tony Stewart, Jeff Gordon and Dale Sr. won
championships because they were willing to take some risks if need be.
They
weren't afraid to use the bumper if the need arose. So in that respect
Mark
is just not aggressive enough. Also, Mark has never been a dominant driver
at restrictor plate tracks, which are four races each year. He constantly
complains about them and never has done very well, unlike Gordon and
Earnhardt. I would love to know his average finish at Daytona and
Talledega
compared to other past champions. Basically, he throws away four races
every
year. Roush has never been known for its restrictor plate program, which
has
hurt Mark over the years. I just don't think you can win a championship by
tossing 4 races out the window. Mark has always done well at intermediate
tracks and road races, but when it comes to restrictor plates he just
isn't
guaranteed there.

#28

"Gregory Bailey" <nowhereman (AT) nowhereland (DOT) org> wrote

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Terry Labonte won a couple of titles and he's never been known as somebody
who was overly aggressive and would punt somebody just for the hell of it.
I
think that description fits former champions Bobby Labonte, Dale Jarrett
and
Bill Elliott as well.

Mark has never won the championship because he's gotten some bad breaks
...
one really bad one in particular ... and luck simply hasn't gone his way.
And to win a championship, you have to be good but you also have to have
the
breaks and Lady Luck go your way.

Let's look at the numbers on Mark as far as restrictor plate racing. He's
run 37 restrictor plate races at Daytona, with no wins, eight top-fives
and
15 top-10s, and a pole. He's run 36 restrictor plate races at Talladega
with
two wins, 10 top-fives and 19 top-10s, and two poles. Not exactly
dominant,
but reasonably good. Here's the thing, though. Checking back over these
numbers ... which I obtained at www.racing-reference.com , a site that I
highly recommend to everyone on this forum, they have complete statistics
for every season and box scores for EVERY Grand National/Winston
Cup/Nextel
Cup race since Day One ... confirmed something that I pretty much thought
was the case, that Mark has had an awful knack for getting caught up in
"The
Big Ones". He's crashed out of three races at Daytona and four at
Talladega,
and I'd have to go even deeper into the past, checking news reports of
races, etc., but I seem to remember him finishing a few races at those
tracks in a car that was pieced together with twine and spit and duct tape
after a crash. Again, that has a lot more to do with luck than anything
Mark
might have done or not done or whether he's had the right stuff to be a
champion.

"Will" <willt65 (AT) comcast (DOT) net> wrote in message
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I have a couple ideas as to why Mark Martin has never won a championship.
He
will go down as the best driver in Nascar history never to have won a
championship, IMHO. But there are a few reasons why that may be true.
Firstly, the guy is just not an aggressive driver. How many times can you
remember where he bumped someone for a win? Or got into any scrapes for
aggressive driving? Guys like Tony Stewart, Jeff Gordon and Dale Sr. won
championships because they were willing to take some risks if need be.
They
weren't afraid to use the bumper if the need arose. So in that respect
Mark
is just not aggressive enough. Also, Mark has never been a dominant
driver
at restrictor plate tracks, which are four races each year. He constantly
complains about them and never has done very well, unlike Gordon and
Earnhardt. I would love to know his average finish at Daytona and
Talledega
compared to other past champions. Basically, he throws away four races
every
year. Roush has never been known for its restrictor plate program, which
has
hurt Mark over the years. I just don't think you can win a championship
by
tossing 4 races out the window. Mark has always done well at intermediate
tracks and road races, but when it comes to restrictor plates he just
isn't
guaranteed there.

I posted his wins and avg. finishes at restrictor plate races up to 2005.
They are not stellar numbers, by any means.

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nascar doesn't like Jack Roush.

Or Ford. Chevy is their pet, and always has been. I mean, you
don't
see
Ford
advertising how many titles they've won out of so many years
during
the
Daytona 500 broadcast, do ya? ;-)

Well, Kenseth and Busch won titles recently, both in Fords.

Congrats on being a fan for at least 5 years. But that's not what I
said,
or
meant. Please do try to keep up.

I've been a fan for 25 years, shithead. But if you want to look at
recent
history, then two Fords have won recently. Fact. And frankly, it has
nothing
to do with the allegation that NASCAR hates Roush, since two Roush cars
have
won recently. And secondly, it has nothing to do with my original post
about
MM. Pay attention, numby.

LOL! You are an idiot, and one that is likely less than 25 years old,
but
since you're that dense, I will spell it out for you. During the Daytona
500
this past Sunday, Chevy ran ads about winning like 38 of 48 (or some
similar
ratio) of the TOTAL NASCAR Cup titles.

Now, WTF does that have to do with Kenseth and Numbnuts Busch? Fucktard.

Pick up a book and re-learn how to read. The original post was about Mark
Martin. And then some Einstein chimed in that NASCAR hates Jack Roush.
Still
with me? I disproved that notion, because two recent titles went to Roush.
Still there? Huh? Now I simply said that Ford has not done that badly
recently. And overall, in NASCAR history, if you want to get to the raw
numbers......ALL TIME WINS, in the history of NASCAR as of the end of
2005.....Chevy 573, Ford 570, according to Jayski. So where is your theory
that Chevy is their pet, prunehole?

Simple. They tried for 2 seasons to hand the title to Joonyer, but he was
too busy fucking up DEI, so Ford teams wound up winning.

In 2005 they gave it to Stewart because they figured that Joonyer wasn't
talented enough to win it even with their help, and Loomis-itis was finally
taking it's toll on the 24 team.

And try counting those wins in the "modern era". Then you start to see the
bias.

#30

SimRacer wrote:

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Yeah, the loser posting to hear himself thinks I said Ford had won no
titles, which isn't even on the same page as what I was talking
about, which was the total number of Chevy titles versus any other
make over the course of NASCAR's history.

I don't think Ford and Dodge field as many cars as GM does. So, they
should not be expected to have as many wins. Well, and Ford sucks. :-)

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