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Default Why MM has never won a championship - 02-21-2006 , 10:01 AM






I have a couple ideas as to why Mark Martin has never won a championship. He
will go down as the best driver in Nascar history never to have won a
championship, IMHO. But there are a few reasons why that may be true.
Firstly, the guy is just not an aggressive driver. How many times can you
remember where he bumped someone for a win? Or got into any scrapes for
aggressive driving? Guys like Tony Stewart, Jeff Gordon and Dale Sr. won
championships because they were willing to take some risks if need be. They
weren't afraid to use the bumper if the need arose. So in that respect Mark
is just not aggressive enough. Also, Mark has never been a dominant driver
at restrictor plate tracks, which are four races each year. He constantly
complains about them and never has done very well, unlike Gordon and
Earnhardt. I would love to know his average finish at Daytona and Talledega
compared to other past champions. Basically, he throws away four races every
year. Roush has never been known for its restrictor plate program, which has
hurt Mark over the years. I just don't think you can win a championship by
tossing 4 races out the window. Mark has always done well at intermediate
tracks and road races, but when it comes to restrictor plates he just isn't
guaranteed there.



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Default Re: Why MM has never won a championship - 02-21-2006 , 10:15 AM






Who won an all green flag 500 mile race at Talladega in 1997 or 8?

"Will" <willt65 (AT) comcast (DOT) net> wrote

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I have a couple ideas as to why Mark Martin has never won a championship.
He will go down as the best driver in Nascar history never to have won a
championship, IMHO. But there are a few reasons why that may be true.
Firstly, the guy is just not an aggressive driver. How many times can you
remember where he bumped someone for a win? Or got into any scrapes for
aggressive driving? Guys like Tony Stewart, Jeff Gordon and Dale Sr. won
championships because they were willing to take some risks if need be. They
weren't afraid to use the bumper if the need arose. So in that respect Mark
is just not aggressive enough. Also, Mark has never been a dominant driver
at restrictor plate tracks, which are four races each year. He constantly
complains about them and never has done very well, unlike Gordon and
Earnhardt. I would love to know his average finish at Daytona and Talledega
compared to other past champions. Basically, he throws away four races
every year. Roush has never been known for its restrictor plate program,
which has hurt Mark over the years. I just don't think you can win a
championship by tossing 4 races out the window. Mark has always done well
at intermediate tracks and road races, but when it comes to restrictor
plates he just isn't guaranteed there.




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Default Re: Why MM has never won a championship - 02-21-2006 , 10:41 AM




"John Bowen" <jmbowen4 (AT) verizon (DOT) net> wrote

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Who won an all green flag 500 mile race at Talladega in 1997 or 8?

"Will" <willt65 (AT) comcast (DOT) net> wrote in message
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I have a couple ideas as to why Mark Martin has never won a championship.
He will go down as the best driver in Nascar history never to have won a
championship, IMHO. But there are a few reasons why that may be true.
Firstly, the guy is just not an aggressive driver. How many times can you
remember where he bumped someone for a win? Or got into any scrapes for
aggressive driving? Guys like Tony Stewart, Jeff Gordon and Dale Sr. won
championships because they were willing to take some risks if need be.
They weren't afraid to use the bumper if the need arose. So in that
respect Mark is just not aggressive enough. Also, Mark has never been a
dominant driver at restrictor plate tracks, which are four races each
year. He constantly complains about them and never has done very well,
unlike Gordon and Earnhardt. I would love to know his average finish at
Daytona and Talledega compared to other past champions. Basically, he
throws away four races every year. Roush has never been known for its
restrictor plate program, which has hurt Mark over the years. I just don't
think you can win a championship by tossing 4 races out the window. Mark
has always done well at intermediate tracks and road races, but when it
comes to restrictor plates he just isn't guaranteed there.



Just checked his stats at Daytona...no wins at Winston Cup/Nextel level.
Average finish: 18th. At Talledega, 2 wins and average finish of 15th. Not
very good numbers considering he's been driving for 23 years at this level.




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Default Re: Why MM has never won a championship - 02-21-2006 , 10:49 AM



nascar doesn't like Jack Roush.



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Default Re: Why MM has never won a championship - 02-21-2006 , 11:29 AM




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nascar doesn't like Jack Roush.


Or Ford. Chevy is their pet, and always has been. I mean, you don't see Ford
advertising how many titles they've won out of so many years during the
Daytona 500 broadcast, do ya? ;-)




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Default Re: Why MM has never won a championship - 02-21-2006 , 11:44 AM




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nascar doesn't like Jack Roush.



Or Ford. Chevy is their pet, and always has been. I mean, you don't see
Ford
advertising how many titles they've won out of so many years during the
Daytona 500 broadcast, do ya? ;-)


Well, Kenseth and Busch won titles recently, both in Fords.




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Default Re: Why MM has never won a championship - 02-21-2006 , 11:50 AM




"Will" <willt65 (AT) comcast (DOT) net> wrote

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nascar doesn't like Jack Roush.



Or Ford. Chevy is their pet, and always has been. I mean, you don't see
Ford
advertising how many titles they've won out of so many years during the
Daytona 500 broadcast, do ya? ;-)



Well, Kenseth and Busch won titles recently, both in Fords.


Congrats on being a fan for at least 5 years. But that's not what I said, or
meant. Please do try to keep up.




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Default Re: Why MM has never won a championship - 02-21-2006 , 11:56 AM




"Will" wrote ...
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Well, Kenseth and Busch won titles recently, both in Fords.
RR had threatened legal action unless he got his turn to win so the deal was
either Matt "Who?" Kenseth or no one, so Jack took the deal. nascar had so much
fun with that they gave KuB the title, knowing no one really liked him and it
would really torque Jack to have to be buddy-buddy with ol' big ears. When KuB
left RR ... well that was icing on nascar's cake.













[fantasy off]




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Default Re: Why MM has never won a championship - 02-21-2006 , 02:35 PM




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nascar doesn't like Jack Roush.



Or Ford. Chevy is their pet, and always has been. I mean, you don't see
Ford
advertising how many titles they've won out of so many years during the
Daytona 500 broadcast, do ya? ;-)



Well, Kenseth and Busch won titles recently, both in Fords.



Congrats on being a fan for at least 5 years. But that's not what I said,
or
meant. Please do try to keep up.


I've been a fan for 25 years, shithead. But if you want to look at recent
history, then two Fords have won recently. Fact. And frankly, it has nothing
to do with the allegation that NASCAR hates Roush, since two Roush cars have
won recently. And secondly, it has nothing to do with my original post about
MM. Pay attention, numby.




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Default Re: Why MM has never won a championship - 02-21-2006 , 02:41 PM




"mark" <usenet1958 (AT) verizon (DOT) net> wrote

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Will you also may not remember that the move over tactic was considered
dirty driving till fairly recently and would get you a listen to the old
country song. "Hello wall." They all knew it and if you wanted to not be
put in the fence, you didn't do anything that put someone in the fence.
It was their version of professional ethics and it worked. Yes there was
bumping and bangin on short tracks, and yes they raced side by side, and
yes those men were a tough bunch. They wouldn't throw temper tantrums on
the TV, you were lucky if they came at you with just a tire tool.

Now you also might not remember MM was one of the early people to suffer a
points penalty when his car was found with a post race problem. Fines
were the norm back then. If memory is correct they also took 25 points
away and he lost the title by less than 25 as it worked out.


"Will" <willt65 (AT) comcast (DOT) net> wrote in message
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I have a couple ideas as to why Mark Martin has never won a championship.
He will go down as the best driver in Nascar history never to have won a
championship, IMHO. But there are a few reasons why that may be true.
Firstly, the guy is just not an aggressive driver. How many times can you
remember where he bumped someone for a win? Or got into any scrapes for
aggressive driving? Guys like Tony Stewart, Jeff Gordon and Dale Sr. won
championships because they were willing to take some risks if need be.
They weren't afraid to use the bumper if the need arose. So in that
respect Mark is just not aggressive enough. Also, Mark has never been a
dominant driver at restrictor plate tracks, which are four races each
year. He constantly complains about them and never has done very well,
unlike Gordon and Earnhardt. I would love to know his average finish at
Daytona and Talledega compared to other past champions. Basically, he
throws away four races every year. Roush has never been known for its
restrictor plate program, which has hurt Mark over the years. I just don't
think you can win a championship by tossing 4 races out the window. Mark
has always done well at intermediate tracks and road races, but when it
comes to restrictor plates he just isn't guaranteed there.



I disagree, there has been bumping and banging at superspeedways for many
years, or don't you remember Dale Sr., Buddy Baker, Tim Richmond, Neil
Bonnett, etc...Earnhardt flipping Rusty at Talledega comes to mind. Or
Gordon hitting Earnhardt at Daytona about 10 years ago also comes to mind.
No penalties on each. As for the points penalty on Mark, that was the year
he was neck and neck with Dale. And many people point to that penalty as
what did him in.




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