for about few weeks now everytime i would start my car it would make a
weird noises, first starting off with a loud squeek when the engine
starts to a really really rough noise like its giving all its got to
start the car, and sometimes it would make the rough noise and like it
cant push it to make the engine start, and now when i try to turn it
on it wont even make a noise.

i just installed a new battery like a month ago and it seems to be
working fine, i dont know what to do now, any suggestions?

thank you in advance

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coould be you need a new starter

"walkingonawire" <UseLinkToEmail (AT) AutoForumz (DOT) com> wrote

Sounds like you may have something binding... you might try turning the
engine over manually to attempt to detect such a binding condition.

Professor
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walkingonawire wrote:
Does it squeel when you start?
It could be that it is on a bad spot where the teeth of the starter and
the teeth on the flywheel just don't mesh correctly.
Don't start the car, put it in D (or gear, in case of a stick with the
clutch out) and move the car a little. (a couple of inches will do). If
it now stops squeeling and starts, it could be your flywheel. If it
still squeels, it may be your starter.

"whybcuz2" wrote:
i bought and put in a new starter but still the same problem, but now
everytime i do something with the car like trying to start it the
negative part of the battery gets real hot, im guessing its the wiring
from the negative to wherever it leads to, any suggestions?

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I take it you followed the professor's advice (other post) and made
sure that the car indeed turns by hand?

If a connection gets hot, it means that something is drawing too much
current.

Since you just replaced your starter, you could make sure that the
starter is indeed not the issue by disconnecting it. Try and start the
car (it won't, of course, because you took the starter out of circuit)
but check to see if the negative side is still getting hot. If so, your
starter may have not been your issue.
If so, something else is drawing a lot of current which starved the
starter for current and caused it to misbehave. If that is the case,
you'll have to try and find that other issue.

If the battery post was not getting hot during the last test, take the
starter out and reconnect it so it is allowed to free run - you will
need to attach the body of the starter to the body of the engine which
you could do by means of one side of your booster cable. Of course, be
careful that nothing is accidentally shorted.
If the starter motor does not behave normally or the negative wire is
now getting hot, your new starter most likely has a problem.
If it behaves normally and nothing is getting hot, something is jammed
up that is stopping your engine from turning (again, the professor's
advice in a previous post is quite valid here). It could also be that
the starter is in crooked and not lined up right with your flywheel.
You could try the same with your old starter to test and make sure it
is fine. It may actually have a problem because the repeated starting
with something jammed up could have burned it out. It is a good test to
perform, so you could bring this new starter back or sell your old
starter on ebay, for instance.

Hope you find it. Post back here should you need any help or
suggestions.

Remco

The following occured to me while driving in: You mentioned that only
the negative battery wire is getting hot? One would expect both to get
hot if the current draw was truly too high..
You could have another issue, not related to the starter at all so it
is worth checking:

Make sure that this wire has a good solid connection on both sides of
the battery. You may have cleaned the connection on the battery side,
but also trace it where it goes to the body and clean that side as
well. It could be that the resistance on that wire is too high and
causes it to get hot. The fat red wire on the starter should also be
clean.
(Just to bore you with the reason, If you remember you HS physics: P =
E * I and E = I * R, so substituting E, P = I * I * R => in other
words, the more resistance(R) a connection has, the more power(P) is
lost across that connection the form of heat).

An easy way to check this is to use your booster cable. Use only the
black side and not the red so you don't get confused and inadvertently
do something bad.
Put one side of the black booster cable on the negative side (make
sure!!) of your battery and the other side of the black booster cable
on a beefy metal part of the engine, basically bridging what may be a
bad connection. If you can find someplace to clip onto near the
starter, this might be best. Again, do not use your red connection --
just let it dangle.
Try and start your car -- if it now starts normally, you have a bad
connection from the battery to the frame or from the frame to the
engine.

Hope all this is useful and you find your problem soon.
Remco

"walkingonawire" wrote:
i forgot to add, my car was stolen and hot wired like a few months
ago, im not sure if that may have caused the problem, also, if it is
the wiring from the negaitve, could it be that the negative wiring is
causing all my problems or is there more to it?

also im extremely confused, sorry for all the trouble, when u say turn
the engine over manualy, what do you mean haha

by turning the engine over manually he means that you should grab the
balancer either by had or a wrench and turn the engine over a bit to change
position of the flywheel to see if its a bad tooth on the flywheel not
getting contact with the starter and to also make sure thew engine isnt
siezing up somehow


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