Re: More on the bailout

#21

Mike Hunter wrote:

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Restored 69 Plymouth Road Runners are
selling for over $100,000 at auctions. Ever see ANY Jap car being offered
at old car auctions?

Maybe it's because they're on the road and running, rather than

sitting in auction houses and the garages of geezers who still say
"Jap"

#22

Mike Hunter wrote:

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Finally if GM vehicles are so bad, why is GM still selling more of them than
ANY of the Japs?

Past reputation? Because it sure can't be their current one.

#23

<richard-foreskin (AT) null (DOT) net> wrote

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Mike Hunter wrote:
Restored 69 Plymouth Road Runners are
selling for over $100,000 at auctions. Ever see ANY Jap car being
offered
at old car auctions?

Maybe it's because they're on the road and running, rather than
sitting in auction houses and the garages of geezers who still say
"Jap"

Like this 1967 Toyota, asking price $285,000?
http://www.automobilemag.com/features/collectible_classic/0803_1967-70_toyota_2000gt/index.html

--

Ray O
(correct punctuation to reply)

#24

"Ray O" ...

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richard-foreskin (AT) null (DOT) net>...
Mike Hunter wrote:
Restored 69 Plymouth Road Runners are
selling for over $100,000 at auctions. Ever see ANY Jap car being
offered
at old car auctions?

Maybe it's because they're on the road and running, rather than
sitting in auction houses and the garages of geezers who still say
"Jap"

Like this 1967 Toyota, asking price $285,000?
http://www.automobilemag.com/features/collectible_classic/0803_1967-70_toyota_2000gt/index.html

Some of these have been modified into targas. My question is: what is a

targa?
Tomes

#25

"Rock Hardson" <RH232 (AT) yahooo (DOT) com> wrote

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"CharlesTheCurmudgeon" <n5hsr (AT) comcast (DOT) net> wrote in message
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"Rock Hardson" <RH232 (AT) yahooo (DOT) com> wrote in message
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http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/12/19/AR2008121903675.html?hpid=topnews

I suspect once the US auto industry gets on a level field the foriegn
companies may be in for an ass kicking.

Sorry, you are WRONG. US auto makers do not encourage the culture of
quality that the Japanese auto makers embraced about 50 years ago. Until
the American automakers demonstrate they are truly commited to quality
and not just dependent on whether the head of the company is commited to
quality or not, there's not only going to not be a level playing field,
there's not gong to be any play.

And since you are obviously a UAW shill, you go plonk in the night.

Sir Charles the Curmudgeon
Friends don't let friends vote Democrat.

By the way I have never worked for the union in my life nor do I or even
have any family members who have ever that I know of paid union dues. So I
have no link to them other than as Americans. What is your link to America
other than supporting a measly $14 an hour worker who helps put together
your prized japanese car. The bulk of your money ends up in japan, your
link and real alliance.

Do you know a Toyota Tundra has more North American content that all others
in it's class?

Don't be so quick to listen to CAW/UAW rehtoric.

#26

"Jim Higgins" <gordian238 (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote

On Dec 20, 8:25 am, "Rock Hardson" <RH... (AT) yahooo (DOT) com> wrote:

Quote:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/12/19/AR200...

I suspect once the US auto industry gets on a level field the foriegn
companies may be in for an ass kicking.

The Detroit mindset of looking no further than about the next quarter
or two will not be changed by the bailout. The Japanese have accepted
near term losses for long term gain, an idea that is anathema to the
Detroit 3 (*not* the Big Three anymore). Detroit is not too big to
fail:

Why Detroit Is Not Too Big to Fail
http://www.time.com/time/business/article/0,8599,1867847,00.html

The Remains of Detroit (slideshow)
http://www.time.com/time/photogallery/0,29307,1864272_1810098,00.html

Detroit's "best" hope is a forced bankruptcy reorganization to change
the outdated and lethal mindset that has done them in.
========
Actually, Detroit is now small and insignifigant.

If GM and Chrysler-Cerberus go flat belly up, which is unlikely, the market
place will not miss them. There is enough idle capacity in North American
factories at Ford, Toyota, Nissan, BMW and Honda to easily pick up the
market needs to deliver product. While that was not true 40-50 years ago,
the mismanagmenet and union abose has diminished Detriots need to
essentially nothing but hot air.

And if the union and management don't get real at Ford, they two can join
the Cerberus dogs of Detroit in bankruptcy.

#27

Get real, you don't know what you are talking about. I spent my last ten
years in the business as Group Sales Manager for one of the largest
mega-dealership groups on the east cost that operated in six states. NO
new car dealership worth its salt BUYS used cars, they MUST retail or
wholesale their used cars within three months so as not to tie up capital.

If a dealership NEEDS to buy used cars they are not selling enough NEW cars.
When the partners were looking to buy a another dealership, with growth
potential, the first thing they had me look for those that were buying USED
cars at the Manheim auctions

If we traded an 'off brand,' say a Toyota or Honda, at one of our domestic
dealerships we moved it to one of our Toyota or Honda stores, where we could
make more profit off of the buyers. Why, because WE thought they were
better cars? No, we did it because our import buyers THOUGHT they were
better cars and we could get more out of the import buyers

As to old cars shows, I attend shows all over the east cost and the ONLY Jap
cars I see are an occasional low mileage RX7 or "Z." On the other hand a
see plenty of domestic, British and European cars, even Italian cars, from
the seventies at those shows

Toyota and all other manufacturers in Japan have been subsidized by the
Japanese government ever since WWII

"me" <noemail (AT) nothere (DOT) com> wrote

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On Tue, 30 Dec 2008 15:00:38 -0500, "Mike Hunter"
mikehunt2@lycos/com> wrote:

If Jap vehicles are so good why are the owners trading them on domestics?
Look on the GM and Ford dealers lots and you will plenty of Jap cars and
trucks that were traded on GM and Ford vehicles.

So the lots you drove by are now a statistically valid sample? Post
some valid statistics showing that more foreign buyers are moving to
domestics than vice-versa.

FYI - most dealers will wholesale out any trades that don't match
their expected clientele. So, the Toyota dealer will get rid of any
domestics he takes in. Since you are seeing "Jap cars" on the GM lots,
that tells us that GM believes their buyers want foreign vehicles.

If Jap vehicles are so good where are all of the old Jap cars? If you go
to old car shows you will hardly ever see and old Jap car.

That's nonsense and based on the shows you attend. Once again, your
limited experience does not reflect the world.

Finally if GM vehicles are so bad, why is GM still selling more of them
than
ANY of the Japs?

GM asked for $13B in handouts or "we'll be out of business by March".
Is the irony in your statement that difficult for you to see?

#28

On Tue, 30 Dec 2008 15:05:03 -0500, "Mike Hunter"
<mikehunt2@lycos/com> wrote:

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Don't you wish you still owned it? Restored 69 Plymouth Road Runners are
selling for over $100,000 at auctions. Ever see ANY Jap car being offered
at old car auctions?

Yes, those American collector cars sure command high prices. Here is
a 1941 Packard for $110,000:

http://www.cars-on-line.com/37257.html

Unfortunately, you can't buy a new Packard. Maybe those Roadrunners,
Mustangs and GTOs will be even more valuable when their manufacturers
go the way of Packard.

The quality and value of current cars has nothing to do with the
auction price of collectibles.

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"Rock Hardson" <RH232 (AT) yahooo (DOT) com> wrote

I had a 69 Plymouth Road Runner, at 130k miles I could still leave a patch
of rubber 15feet long.

#29

On Tue, 30 Dec 2008 15:00:38 -0500, "Mike Hunter"
<mikehunt2@lycos/com> wrote:

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If Jap vehicles are so good why are the owners trading them on domestics?
Look on the GM and Ford dealers lots and you will plenty of Jap cars and
trucks that were traded on GM and Ford vehicles.

That is an anecdotal report, at best. Since Import brands are taking
more market share every year, it is obvious that more people are
trading domestics for imports than the other way around.

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If Jap vehicles are so good where are all of the old Jap cars? If you go
to old car shows you will hardly ever see and old Jap car.

If you go to a domestic car dealer, you may find they have closed
their doors.

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Finally if GM vehicles are so bad, why is GM still selling more of them than
ANY of the Japs?

If GM sales are so great, why are they threatening to declare
bankruptcy?

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"Rock Hardson" <RH232 (AT) yahooo (DOT) com> wrote in message
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So if I say the same thing about a crappy Toyota and Mazda that family
members owned that didnt hold what exactly does that tell you especially
when I have an American car that runs and looks great going on 146k miles,
or a 82 Dodge I had that I put 180k miles on with regular maintenance? It
lasted a lot longer than the 83 Toyota Camery.

#30

On Tue, 30 Dec 2008 18:21:06 -0500, "Mike Hunter"
<mikehunt2@lycos/com> wrote:

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THAT was an insane notion. If the vehicle you owned was a good one, WHY
would you?

Why don't you ask GM owners that question? GM's market share has
dropped from 50% to 22%.

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"AZ Nomad" <aznomad.3 (AT) PremoveOBthisOX (DOT) COM> wrote in message
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On Tue, 30 Dec 2008 15:00:38 -0500, Mike Hunter <mikehunt2@lycos/com
wrote:
If Jap vehicles are so good why are the owners trading them on domestics?
Look on the GM and Ford dealers lots and you will plenty of Jap cars and
trucks that were traded on GM and Ford vehicles.

What an idiotic statement!

Where did you get the insane notion that people never switch from
owning an import to owning a domestic and visa versa?