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Default 90 Max misfire mystery - 09-08-2006 , 11:33 PM






Yes, I know it's time for a new car as I've been posting in this newsgroup
for way too long about my many Maxima problems. Heres' the latest on my 90
GXE (165k mi):

Engine misfires at all speed ranges- but not all the time! Sometimes I'll
start it cold and it will run perfectly. Sometimes not. Sometimes I'll
start it hot or cold and it will misfire on a cyl through all speed ranges
and then mysteriously, it will stop misfiring and run normally. I replaced
injector #1 since it had high resistance and when I pulled the plug wire on
#1, the engine showed no signs of change as it did with all other cyls.
With new injector, it still misfires, but I don't think it's on #1. All
plugs are getting excellent spark. New wires, NGK plugs, rotor and cap.
Coolant temp sensor about 2 years old. Fairly new fuel pump and filter.
I've run injector cleaner (Lucas) straight into the fuel line with no change
in behavior. I ran the ECU diagnostic procedure in all modes and no codes
were stored- BUT, while turning the mode screw on the ECU all the way
clockwise, the idle rpm's dropped about 150rpm. When I turned it back ccw,
the idle speed returned, but the misfire continued. I have never replaced
the O2 sensor. The cylinder that is misfiring really is not firing at all
as the engine really vibrates and the dragging cylinder really affects
power. But with no warning at all, it will stop and run perfectly. This
whole problem started early this summer when it was hot and I thought it had
the old vapor lock problem. It only misfired when it was restarted hot. Once
I got underway, the misfire/stumble at low rpm went away.

This is weird but I remember once going through a toll booth on the Dallas
North Tollway and as soon as I went through the toll reader, the misfire
started. I'm not sure if it was coincidence or the proximity reader emf's
affecting the car's ECU.

So here's my take on this problem: I think it's either a bad microcircuit in
the ECU that is not firing a fuel injector, a bad connection to the fuel
injector or a sensor giving an intermittant bad signal. But why would a
sensor cause only one cyl to drag?? Do ECU's behave this way?

This ng has been great through the years and have given me a lot of help
keeping my cars running! Don't stop now- send me your thoughts!!

Thanks!

Chris
90 & 94 GXE's



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Telstar Electronics
 
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Default Re: 90 Max misfire mystery - 09-12-2006 , 12:52 PM







Chris H wrote:
Quote:
Yes, I know it's time for a new car as I've been posting in this newsgroup
for way too long about my many Maxima problems. Heres' the latest on my 90
GXE (165k mi):

Engine misfires at all speed ranges- but not all the time! Sometimes I'll
start it cold and it will run perfectly. Sometimes not. Sometimes I'll
start it hot or cold and it will misfire on a cyl through all speed ranges
and then mysteriously, it will stop misfiring and run normally. I replaced
injector #1 since it had high resistance and when I pulled the plug wire on
#1, the engine showed no signs of change as it did with all other cyls.
With new injector, it still misfires, but I don't think it's on #1. All
plugs are getting excellent spark. New wires, NGK plugs, rotor and cap.
Coolant temp sensor about 2 years old. Fairly new fuel pump and filter.
I've run injector cleaner (Lucas) straight into the fuel line with no change
in behavior. I ran the ECU diagnostic procedure in all modes and no codes
were stored- BUT, while turning the mode screw on the ECU all the way
clockwise, the idle rpm's dropped about 150rpm. When I turned it back ccw,
the idle speed returned, but the misfire continued. I have never replaced
the O2 sensor. The cylinder that is misfiring really is not firing at all
as the engine really vibrates and the dragging cylinder really affects
power. But with no warning at all, it will stop and run perfectly. This
whole problem started early this summer when it was hot and I thought it had
the old vapor lock problem. It only misfired when it was restarted hot. Once
I got underway, the misfire/stumble at low rpm went away.

This is weird but I remember once going through a toll booth on the Dallas
North Tollway and as soon as I went through the toll reader, the misfire
started. I'm not sure if it was coincidence or the proximity reader emf's
affecting the car's ECU.

So here's my take on this problem: I think it's either a bad microcircuit in
the ECU that is not firing a fuel injector, a bad connection to the fuel
injector or a sensor giving an intermittant bad signal. But why would a
sensor cause only one cyl to drag?? Do ECU's behave this way?

This ng has been great through the years and have given me a lot of help
keeping my cars running! Don't stop now- send me your thoughts!!

Thanks!

Chris
90 & 94 GXE's
Have you performed a compression and cylinder balance test on this
engine?

www.telstar-electronics.com



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Default Re: 90 Max misfire mystery - 09-12-2006 , 07:08 PM



No, but I think I have the mystery almost solved. Last Sunday, I did a
resistance test on the injectors and 2 came up to 58 ohms and 78 ohms. All
others were at 14 +/- ohms. So I replaced them. The motor started up and
ran great w/ no misfiring since Sunday, but it still hesitates when
accelerating from a stand-still. I'm thinking the O2 sensor is bad. I have
to do a Mode III & V check tonight on the ECU to see if it indicates a bad
sensor. When it starts up cold in Open-loop mode (assume a rich mixture)
throttle response is much better than after it warms up and begins to
stumble at idle and take off. I might do a compression test just for grins
to see if I have any bad valves etc.

Chris
90 & 94 GXE's (& looking at '06 SE's!!)


"Telstar Electronics" <briangriffey (AT) sbcglobal (DOT) net> wrote

Quote:
Chris H wrote:
Yes, I know it's time for a new car as I've been posting in this
newsgroup
for way too long about my many Maxima problems. Heres' the latest on my
90
GXE (165k mi):

Engine misfires at all speed ranges- but not all the time! Sometimes I'll
start it cold and it will run perfectly. Sometimes not. Sometimes I'll
start it hot or cold and it will misfire on a cyl through all speed
ranges
and then mysteriously, it will stop misfiring and run normally. I
replaced
injector #1 since it had high resistance and when I pulled the plug wire
on
#1, the engine showed no signs of change as it did with all other cyls.
With new injector, it still misfires, but I don't think it's on #1. All
plugs are getting excellent spark. New wires, NGK plugs, rotor and cap.
Coolant temp sensor about 2 years old. Fairly new fuel pump and filter.
I've run injector cleaner (Lucas) straight into the fuel line with no
change
in behavior. I ran the ECU diagnostic procedure in all modes and no
codes
were stored- BUT, while turning the mode screw on the ECU all the way
clockwise, the idle rpm's dropped about 150rpm. When I turned it back
ccw,
the idle speed returned, but the misfire continued. I have never
replaced
the O2 sensor. The cylinder that is misfiring really is not firing at
all
as the engine really vibrates and the dragging cylinder really affects
power. But with no warning at all, it will stop and run perfectly. This
whole problem started early this summer when it was hot and I thought it
had
the old vapor lock problem. It only misfired when it was restarted hot.
Once
I got underway, the misfire/stumble at low rpm went away.

This is weird but I remember once going through a toll booth on the
Dallas
North Tollway and as soon as I went through the toll reader, the misfire
started. I'm not sure if it was coincidence or the proximity reader
emf's
affecting the car's ECU.

So here's my take on this problem: I think it's either a bad microcircuit
in
the ECU that is not firing a fuel injector, a bad connection to the fuel
injector or a sensor giving an intermittant bad signal. But why would a
sensor cause only one cyl to drag?? Do ECU's behave this way?

This ng has been great through the years and have given me a lot of help
keeping my cars running! Don't stop now- send me your thoughts!!

Thanks!

Chris
90 & 94 GXE's

Have you performed a compression and cylinder balance test on this
engine?

www.telstar-electronics.com




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