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K&N Air Filter
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Re: K&N Air Filter -
10-06-2005
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1) Cost savings. Yes, you heard me.. savings. A paper filter is supposed to be replaced every 10,000 miles. |
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1) Cost savings. Yes, you heard me.. savings. A paper filter is supposed to be replaced every 10,000 miles. K&N filters are guaranteed for 1,000,000 miles. I haven't priced a Nissan filter, but I'm sure they are more than the filters sold at parts stores. So let's say $10 a filter. At 10,000 miles a year (c'mon we all probably driver way more than that in a year) I'd have to replace the filter at LEAST once a year. In 4 years time (40,000 miles) I would have spent what my K&N filter costed and still be good for several years to come. When a K&N filter gets dirty, you take it out, wash it and put it back. can't do that with a paper filter. THis is only a benefit if you are too lazy to change the filter regularly. No one in their right mind would leave *ANY* filter of any kind in for a million miles...well except maybe you... 2) Cars love air. Yeah, maybe they did use a really restricive filter for their demo. Maybe not.. but forget about the paper filter for a minute and look at something else. The same demo box with NO FILTER in place does the same thing with the balls as the K&N filter does. The K&N filter provides much better air flow. My car immediately shows improvement. I haven't crunched the numbers as far as MPG goes, but acceleration is cleaner and smoother, the engine SOUNDS stronger and I'm filling up less often. Great; the engine "sounds" stronger. No gas mileage figures, no Horsepower increase figures, no figures on filtration levels...but it sure sounds stronger! I'll spend all my money on something that makes my engine "sound" stronger...yeah right! 3) As to the comment about less restriction = more gunk in engine... take a closer look at how it's made. The demo filter doesn't show it really well, but the K&N filter is coated with a special oil. Ever use Armor All on your dash and notice how it seemed to attract dust?? It's basicaly the same thing. The junk flowing into your airbox is caught in this oil. K&N recommends recoating your filter every 50-100,000 miles. (Remember you will have thrown anywhere from 5-10 paper filters during this time... A few squirts with a spray bottle seems like a fair trade-off). "Special Oil" that will not degrade after a million miles on the road? And now you say to change the K&N at 50-100,000 miles? What happened to the million mile model? You certainly are a good little consumer...pony on up and spend all your hard earned cash on snake oil...wasn't it P. T. Barnum that said "There's a sucker born every minute"? 4) If K&N filters are "junk" why are they used by so many race-teams and millions of regular drivers?? Read the testimonials on K&N's website. Seems to me that most people who are against them just don't like the idea of spending $40-50 on an air filter. I thought the price pretty steep myself until I did the math and research. Now, after seeing my car respond to it, I feel bad I denied it for so long. Max likes air, makes Max happy, when Max is happy, I'm happy. I'll keep my K&N, thank you. Good! Keep your K&N, with the special oil, and I'll gladly keep using standard filter that take the gunk with them when I throw them away. I want something that cleans the air entering my engine, not something that can levitate ping pong balls higher. I bet you have one of those "tornado" devices in the carb, right? Coincidentally, I have this bridge that I am selling.... Bobby I just love it when people take someone's words and turn them around to |
OK.. Let's see if I can make this simple enough for you to understand
it. Bear with me, I'm not used to explaining car stuff to
kindergarteners. Yes, the K&N filters are guaranteed for 1 million
miles. NO, that does not mean you stick the filter in the car and leave
it there for 1 million miles. You have some maintenance to do to keep
it functioning at it's peak. However, unlike paper filters, these
filters do not require being trashed and replaced every 10,000 miles.
They are (is this word too big for you?) REUSABLE. You take the filter
out, clean it and replace it. K&N suggests re-oiling the filter after
50,000 - 100,000 miles. You can clean it every day if it makes you feel
better, but I would HOPE you'd be smart enough to know when it's dirty.
The benefit to having a REUSABLE filter is that *I* don't have to
shell out more money every 10,000 miles for a NEW filter. Oh yeah, and
my car breathes better too. The idea behind the oil is that it helps
the filter trap MORE gunk than a dry paper filter can. Think about it,
how much dust can you pick up with a dry paper towel?? Spray some
cleaner (or even water for that matter) on the paper towel and see how
much MORE dust you can pick up. Same principle. I never said the OIL
that comes on the filter lasted 1 million miles now did I? See, if you
read what people say instead of inserting your own words, things make
more sense. I said the FILTER is GUARANTEED for 1 million miles. It
may or may not last that long, but I'll never have to buy another on
during that time because if my filter fails, I get a new one... FREE.
Ya know what, just forget everything I said. You'll misunderstand it
and turn it around anyway so why bother. I've already lowered my
standards more than I wish by just replying to this post. Just keep
shelling out the dough every 10K miles for your paper filters. The
trees might hate you, but I'm sure there's some folks putting pleats in
paper for $7 an hour that will thank you for not putting them out of
work. As for me and my car, we're happy with the purchase of a K&N. If
you think that makes me an idiot for buying it, then so be it. I'm not
going to lose any sleep over what you think of me.
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TeamZebra wrote: 1) Cost savings. Yes, you heard me.. savings. A paper filter is supposed to be replaced every 10,000 miles. Where did you come up with that? Duh... RTFM! The owner's manual. |
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"Richard Tomkins" <tomkinsr (AT) istop (DOT) com> wrote in message news:1128348971_40251 (AT) spool6-east (DOT) superfeed.net... I was at the parts store the other day. They had a display set up with a OEM filter (unknown brand) and a like replacement K&N Filter. Basically a box with two muffin fans and some balls in tubes on the exhaust. With the OEM filter in place, the balls barely went up the tubes. With the K&N Filter in place, the balls went all the way up the tubes, graphically showing that the air flow through the K&N was less restrictive than the OEM Filter. That out of the way, would it be a good idea the next time I change the air filter in my 95 Maxima, to move to a K&N Filter, for better/increased air flow? FWIW, the K&N Filter looked to be of better mechanical manufacture than the OEM Filter on display. ----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Uncensored-Secure Usenet News==---- http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 120,000+ Newsgroups ----= East and West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =---- Numerous tests have proven that the K&N and other filters do not make *ANY* improvement in air flow/gas mileage/Horsepower. Same is true of those "tornado" devices that cause the air to rotate in a vortex before entering the carburetor...also a bunch of hooey. If you like throwing your money away on junk that is all show and no go...then go ahead and get one. Bobby |
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what are muffin fans? "NoNoBadDog!" <no_ (AT) spam_verizon (DOT) net> wrote in message news  %P0f.7655$C51.1322 (AT) trnddc07 (DOT) .."Richard Tomkins" <tomkinsr (AT) istop (DOT) com> wrote in message news:1128348971_40251 (AT) spool6-east (DOT) superfeed.net... I was at the parts store the other day. They had a display set up with a OEM filter (unknown brand) and a like replacement K&N Filter. Basically a box with two muffin fans and some balls in tubes on the exhaust. With the OEM filter in place, the balls barely went up the tubes. With the K&N Filter in place, the balls went all the way up the tubes, graphically showing that the air flow through the K&N was less restrictive than the OEM Filter. That out of the way, would it be a good idea the next time I change the air filter in my 95 Maxima, to move to a K&N Filter, for better/increased air flow? FWIW, the K&N Filter looked to be of better mechanical manufacture than the OEM Filter on display. ----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Uncensored-Secure Usenet News==---- http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 120,000+ Newsgroups ----= East and West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =---- Numerous tests have proven that the K&N and other filters do not make *ANY* improvement in air flow/gas mileage/Horsepower. Same is true of those "tornado" devices that cause the air to rotate in a vortex before entering the carburetor...also a bunch of hooey. If you like throwing your money away on junk that is all show and no go...then go ahead and get one. Bobby |
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