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Default Re: GM's excess baggage - Buick, Pontiac, Saab, Hummer - 05-06-2007 , 09:45 AM






ya but then you might actually shed the lard where it's actually at....
the management end... bad engineers and poor execs.... awe.....


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Default Re: GM's excess baggage - Buick, Pontiac, Saab, Hummer - 05-07-2007 , 04:00 AM






In article <18np335gucrbq1530906tn2nloktq1tjpj (AT) 4ax (DOT) com>,
GlassVial <glassvial (AT) NOSPAM (DOT) hotmail.com> wrote:

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GM needs to slim down and here's what I think GM should look like (in
the US market, anyhow):

Chevrolet - value line/catch-all/trucks
GMC - trucks (duh)
Pontiac - sportier line
Caddy - luxe line, absorb Buick into this and come out with a
value-line/affordable Caddy or two! Look at the Jag X-Type, for
example, it's an affordable "luxury" car.
Saturn - niche market/small cars

Makes sense to me, although I'm sure some will disagree
I couldn't agree more.
I'm a car buff and when I look at the GM products with similar vehicles
of different names, but mainly trim differences, it confuses me and
actually turns me off.
Look at Toyota. A lovely line up of vehicles covering a wide section of
the vehicle market. You just decide your vehicle type, then select the
trim level.

The very long time GM dealer near me must agree. He suddenly shut down
his Chev dealership and it is now being remodeled for something? Since
the owner has opened a variety of other dealerships over the last few
years, I'm wondering what he will place here?
His Auto group has dealerships for: Chrysler, Hyundai, Kia, Lexus,
Toyota and Volvo. He certainly isn't getting out of the car business!

I'm guessing Hyundai because there isn't one of them in this area. He
has four Hyundai dealerships in other areas.
This owner is an extremely successful businessman, who got his start
with a GM dealership, eventually had several GM dealerships, but he just
shut down his last one.


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Default Re: GM's excess baggage - Buick, Pontiac, Saab, Hummer - 05-13-2007 , 04:57 PM




"Eeyore" <rabbitsfriendsandrelations (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote in message
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You won't see many of the above on European roads. Even a 2 litre engine
is bigger
than average here.

I was surprised at the number of Porsche Cayenne and 200 series Mercedes on
the Autostrade a few weeks ago. Fair number of A6 Audis also. Yes, the
percentage of less than 2 litre machines is greater, but some mid to large
cars do exist.




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Default Re: GM's excess baggage - Buick, Pontiac, Saab, Hummer - 05-13-2007 , 05:01 PM





Edwin Pawlowski wrote:

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"Eeyore" <rabbitsfriendsandrelations (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote in message
You won't see many of the above on European roads. Even a 2 litre engine
is bigger than average here.


I was surprised at the number of Porsche Cayenne and 200 series Mercedes on
the Autostrade a few weeks ago. Fair number of A6 Audis also. Yes, the
percentage of less than 2 litre machines is greater, but some mid to large
cars do exist.
Sure they exist but many of those Audis will only have 2 litre engines. Even
Merc does a 1.9 litre. At the other end of the scale there are a number of cars
with engines smaller even than 1 litre.

Graham




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Default Re: GM's excess baggage - Buick, Pontiac, Saab, Hummer - 05-13-2007 , 06:35 PM




"Eeyore" <rabbitsfriendsandrelations (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote in message
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Sure they exist but many of those Audis will only have 2 litre engines.
Even
Merc does a 1.9 litre. At the other end of the scale there are a number of
cars
with engines smaller even than 1 litre.
The most popular in the C class is a 2.5 litre. (2496 CC to be exact)

Audi does have a 2.0, a 2.4 and a 3.2.

The percentage of larger cars seems to have grown though, and the smaller
ones seem to be losing ground in some areas where there is some room. The
Smart, for instance, is doing well in the big cities. Scooters are still
highly popular too, I might add.




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Default Re: GM's excess baggage - Buick, Pontiac, Saab, Hummer - 05-14-2007 , 11:37 PM




"Edwin Pawlowski" <esp (AT) snet (DOT) net> wrote

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"Eeyore" <rabbitsfriendsandrelations (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote in message
You won't see many of the above on European roads. Even a 2 litre engine
is bigger
than average here.


I was surprised at the number of Porsche Cayenne and 200 series Mercedes
on the Autostrade a few weeks ago. Fair number of A6 Audis also. Yes,
the percentage of less than 2 litre machines is greater, but some mid to
large cars do exist.

I'm not surprised. The Cayenne is kind of a bargain, really. I couldn't say
that about an A6, but that's just me.




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