Wanna know why GM is hurting? Because they have no styling. GM doesnt even
have anything to go toe to toe with this car in styling or performance.
C'mon GM lets get rolling. A Nissan Altima...yes a Nissan Altima and GM cant
even beat this in style or performance. 270 HP out of a 3.5 L compared to
GMs 3.9 struggling to put out 250hp.

http://www.nissanusa.com/altima/gallery.html

"Johnny Cakes" <JC (AT) goodyear (DOT) net> wrote

Styling is in the eye of the beholder. I don't care much for that Nissan at
all. Exterior is boring, and the interior isn't all that great either. When
I get in my '96 (yes, a 1996) Bonnie, it feels like I am in the cockpit of
a fighter jet. It will also go like a bat out of hell.

You like performance? Take a look at the GTO, the Grand Prix or the (no
longer made) Bonnie's. Damned fine looking cars, and they will move with the
best of them. But, like I said, styling is personal preference. Some people
can look at a Ferrari and vomit, while others will look at a Yugo and think
it's as good as gold.

Perhaps you might want to compare the torque rating for both. The Japanese
have a tendency to spin their engine rather wildly to obtain HP fro
advertising purposes. In doing so the torque drops off. I is torque that
gets you going a keeps you going on grades. That is why most Japanese cars
are the first cars to die on hills. The Camrys one sees on the road are
slugs. The reason is, eight our of ten sold in the US have only 4 cy
engine..


mike


"Johnny Cakes" <JC (AT) goodyear (DOT) net> wrote

"Mike Hunter" proves yet again that he has never actually driven a
Camry... I'd far rather have a 4 cyl Camry (with available 5-speed no
less!) than the sluggish, automatic-only 3.4 V-6 Impala.... yes I have
been in both and the Camry is a better car in every respect.

nate


Mike Hunter wrote:

No offence Nate, but I have a couple of relatives who own Impala's, and they
love them. One has the 3.4 (a 2003, if memory serves), and one the 3.8 (a
2000 with high KM's, if memory serves). Neither has complained about any
mechanical problems, and the one who owns the 3.4 version is a GM mechanic
at a dealership. We also use the Impala's with the 3.8 down here as Police
cars, not to mention building them at our local GM (Oshawa) plant. Maybe you
just happened to get a lemon? As for the cars themselves, I have driven the
3.4 Impala, and it seemed to move quite well. Not as well as the 3.8, but
that is to be expected.

"N8N" <njnagel (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote

Obviously you are entitled to you own opinion but apparently you do not live
in a mountainous part of the county if you really believe that


mike


"N8N" <njnagel (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote

Copying the japanese car styling is a big mistake because most of them are
hideous. This altima rates a 7 on a scale of 10, but is one of the rare
exceptions.

The current toyota camry is just as ugly as the Aztec, a one on a scale of
10. The honda ridgeline is uglier than the aztec, a zero. (Please don't
park that thing where I can see it). The honda civic is a 3 and I don't
see many of them on the streets. The hot selling toyota corolla is only a 4
to me. The japanese are revising their jelly bean styling by adding lumps.
The headlights on their minivans and many cars are frog like.

Most GM cars have only managed to get up to the 5 mark The cobalt / pursuit
is a 6. The G6 is a 4 as are the expensive buicks. The cadillacs are 3's.
By comparison, my boring jelly-bean 97 cavalier is a 4. The new mustang is
an 8, the only one I can think of that is outrageously expensive. The
chrysler sebring was a 7 but they revised it to a 5 by making it look like a
saturn. All of chryslers other cars are starting to look like trucks and
SUV's. The SUV is dead dead dead. They have never done anything at all for
me and they are churning them out, all looking alike.

Car makers have to stop using the color gray. No more grey interiors. A
grey car looks like they didn't bother to paint it. GM has very few nice
colors, all of them are greys, silvers, sands, dark muddy colors. I guess
the color really doesn't matter if the car is a 3 or a 4 anyway.

Just a few of my unsolicited opinions.

--
Denis Roy
"Johnny Cakes" <JC (AT) goodyear (DOT) net> wrote

"Denis Roy" <droy (AT) ideasinwood (DOT) com> wrote

Strange, the ad campaign for the solstice seems to showcase the different
colors, all bright and primary that they paint it. Of course a troll sees in
black and white so they don't notice the colors.

Now that you mention it, the solstice and saturn sky are beautiful cars.
8's and 9's all the way. Too bad it's only a two seater, impractical. Go
out and have fun with it, but go home to switch to another car when it's
time to get groceries.

Transfer similar styling to the grand prix or the G6 and they wouldn't be
able to make em fast enough to keep up with the sales. People would
actually get excited about them.

--
Denis Roy

"john graesser" <graesser (AT) tca (DOT) net> wrote

well my G6 convertible looks almost the same as the Nissan. How much does
their altima convertible cost? but I do agree GM needs to do something like
build a car that doesn't look japanese or is it the japs build cars that
look like american?

"Johnny Cakes" <JC (AT) goodyear (DOT) net> wrote