Re: Question for Porsche Aficionados

"Scott en Aztlán" <scottenaztlan (AT) yahoo (DOT) com> wrote

A *brand new* 911 lists for $72,000. What's so special about this old
one?

I'm no Porsche expert, but the car in the auction is a 911 Turbo, AWD. A
new 911 Turbo starts at 122,900, according to the Porsche web site:

http://www.porsche.com/usa/models/911/911-turbo/

-=- Tom

Scott en Aztlán wrote:

"Tom D" <no (AT) spam (DOT) please> said in rec.autos.driving:


"Scott en Aztlán" <scottenaztlan (AT) yahoo (DOT) com> wrote in message
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A *brand new* 911 lists for $72,000. What's so special about this old
one?

I'm no Porsche expert, but the car in the auction is a 911 Turbo, AWD. A
new 911 Turbo starts at 122,900, according to the Porsche web site:

http://www.porsche.com/usa/models/911/911-turbo/


Still, how many vehicles retain 50% of their original value after 11
years? Not even a Honda will do that!

911, it's not just a car, it's an icon.

Seriously, if it's kept in good condition it's going to depreciate all
that it's going to depreciate within the first 5 years or so.

nate

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On Apr 18, 9:27 am, Scott en Aztlán <scottenazt... (AT) yahoo (DOT) com> wrote:

Nate Nagel <njna... (AT) roosters (DOT) net> said in rec.autos.driving:

Still, how many vehicles retain 50% of their original value after 11
years? Not even a Honda will do that!

911, it's not just a car, it's an icon.

Seriously, if it's kept in good condition it's going to depreciate all
that it's going to depreciate within the first 5 years or so.

I checked Edmunds. A 1996 Porsche Turbo AWD in top condition has a
dealer retail TMV of $53,004.

I mave have to trade in my Corvette.
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I dunno... drive one first. A 'vette is a hell of a car for the
money, esp. the C6. A 911 is a hell of a car too, but at a different
price point and in a different way...

nate

"Scott en Aztlán" <scottenaztlan (AT) yahoo (DOT) com> wrote

"Tom D" <no (AT) spam (DOT) please> said in rec.autos.driving:

"Scott en Aztlán" <scottenaztlan (AT) yahoo (DOT) com> wrote in message
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A *brand new* 911 lists for $72,000. What's so special about this old
one?

I'm no Porsche expert, but the car in the auction is a 911 Turbo, AWD. A
new 911 Turbo starts at 122,900, according to the Porsche web site:

http://www.porsche.com/usa/models/911/911-turbo/

Still, how many vehicles retain 50% of their original value after 11
years? Not even a Honda will do that!
--
Drive right. Pass left.

Scott, I bought a 911 Targa new in 1974 for $11,000. I sold it with 60,000
miles on it in 1984 for $10,000. Sure, inflation made that $10,000 a lot
smaller than in 1974 dollars, still, what other car retains it's value like
that? Other than 'collectable' limited production cars, none. A Honda is a
Honda, is a Honda. I know you are a Corvette guy and you'll probably never
figure out why Porsche's are special to some people. I feel the same way
about Ferrari's. Sure, there are some really great Ferrari's, but I would
never get worked up over one. I was 'imprinted' with Porsche DNA when I was
16. My brother brought one back from Germany, he let me drive it to school
if I washed it for him. I've driven lots of the recent high performance
cars. Ferrari, Lambo, Corvette, Maserati, and lots and lots of Porsches.
None put a smile on my face like the Porsche's do. I guess that's why good
Porsche's retain their value so well. If that's what you want, nothing else
will do.

Alan


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"Lawrence Lugar" <lawrence_lugar (AT) cox (DOT) net> wrote

Benz' SL and AMG series...
BMW M Series...


although i guess they are more sportier versions...they still don't
measure up to Porsche's pedigree.
Porsche, at heart, is a natural-born thoroughbred sports/race car -
period.

Porsche drives like a sportscar. The others still feels like a sedan when
driven - specially benz' amg series

That's what I found. The E60 M5 is a very nice car ... fast and agile.
But, the only way I found that I could appreciate it's performance was the
very few occasions when I took it up over 100 mph. Below that speed it
basically felt like a regular 5 series BMW with little "connection" to the
driver.

The Porsche feels like a sports car even at 30 mph, yet it can still throw
your head into the back seat if you want to.

RCE

On Apr 20, 8:27 am, "RCE" <r... (AT) nowhere (DOT) com> wrote:

"Lawrence Lugar" <lawrence_lu... (AT) cox (DOT) net> wrote in message

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Benz' SL and AMG series...
BMW M Series...

although i guess they are more sportier versions...they still don't
measure up to Porsche's pedigree.
Porsche, at heart, is a natural-born thoroughbred sports/race car -
period.

Porsche drives like a sportscar. The others still feels like a sedan when
driven - specially benz' amg series

That's what I found. The E60 M5 is a very nice car ... fast and agile.
But, the only way I found that I could appreciate it's performance was the
very few occasions when I took it up over 100 mph. Below that speed it
basically felt like a regular 5 series BMW with little "connection" to the
driver.

The Porsche feels like a sports car even at 30 mph, yet it can still throw
your head into the back seat if you want to.

RCE

You obviously drive different cars than "the rest of us." IMHO the
difference in driving feel between my old E28 chassis 535i and, say, a
Chevy Impala (my current company vehicle) is significantly more
different than the difference in feel between the 535i and my current
personal 944. Sure, the 944 is somewhat more involving, but the
difference in handling between "really quite good" and "holy @#$%
that's amazing" is irrelevant for 99% of US street driving. Both are
head and shoulders above most of the cars on the road today, and both
are exceptionally competent at any speed/condition encountered. Of
course I wouldn't have been driving the 535i at Summit Point, but
that's not the intent of the car - it is a "sports sedan" not a
"sports car" after all.

I could be happy with either the 535i or the 944; I'd never buy the
Imp for myself.

That said, I can certainly understand those who have the money and are
willing to pay the premium to drive a Porsche over anything else (just
look in my driveway.)

nate

"N8N" <njnagel (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote

On Apr 20, 8:27 am, "RCE" <r... (AT) nowhere (DOT) com> wrote:

That's what I found. The E60 M5 is a very nice car ... fast and agile.
But, the only way I found that I could appreciate it's performance was
the
very few occasions when I took it up over 100 mph. Below that speed it
basically felt like a regular 5 series BMW with little "connection" to
the
driver.

The Porsche feels like a sports car even at 30 mph, yet it can still
throw
your head into the back seat if you want to.

RCE

You obviously drive different cars than "the rest of us." IMHO the
difference in driving feel between my old E28 chassis 535i and, say, a
Chevy Impala (my current company vehicle) is significantly more
different than the difference in feel between the 535i and my current
personal 944. Sure, the 944 is somewhat more involving, but the
difference in handling between "really quite good" and "holy @#$%
that's amazing" is irrelevant for 99% of US street driving. Both are
head and shoulders above most of the cars on the road today, and both
are exceptionally competent at any speed/condition encountered. Of
course I wouldn't have been driving the 535i at Summit Point, but
that's not the intent of the car - it is a "sports sedan" not a
"sports car" after all.

I could be happy with either the 535i or the 944; I'd never buy the
Imp for myself.

That said, I can certainly understand those who have the money and are
willing to pay the premium to drive a Porsche over anything else (just
look in my driveway.)

nate

BMW builds some fine cars (although I discovered that the new E60 M5 has had
some issues with the electronics and SMG transmission). My son has an '05
540i and it has all the handling performance and power one would need for
everyday driving. My wife has an '06 BMW Z4si (sports convertible) that is
a fun car to drive but doesn't compare to the 996TT.

I was referring more to the subjective "connection factor" with the driver.
Here, I think Porsche has it all over BMW.

RCE