Saab Lost a Loyal Customer

Okay, here is the story.
I have an '06 9-3 Aero (my 6th Saab) and this one has had a couple of
problems within a year (two in the last 3 weeks).

1st The coating or paint or whatever they used on the front of the dash
started peeling off. This was around as well as on the radio. Replaced
under Warranty

2nd 2 weeks ago the Electronic Stability Control went out while driving
the car Turns out a module for the ABS system croaked Also replaced
under warranty.

3rd a week ago the clutch overheated and burned out. WITH LESS THAN
7000 MILES ON IT!!!!

Now, if I were new to stick shifts and clutches I can understand and
accept that I may have caused it, but I've been driving manuals
exclusively for 25 years and Saabs exclusively for the past 15 years.
I'm quite used to shifting and I never ride the clutch. Nor do I abuse
the car.

Saab would not do anything on working with me to replace the clutch. No
good will was forthcoming. It cost almoat 2k to replace.

My '94 9000 has 155k on the original clutch. My '88spg had 150k on it
when I sold it (original clutch).

I'm sorry I think the reliability of Saabs has gone downhill. I will
most likely not be buying another one.

Anyone what a slightly used '06 Aero?
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On May 14, 3:04 pm, "Craig" <CBobchin (AT) My_Skinsbcglobal (DOT) net> wrote:

Okay, here is the story.
I have an '06 9-3 Aero (my 6th Saab) and this one has had a couple of
problems within a year (two in the last 3 weeks).

1st The coating or paint or whatever they used on the front of the dash
started peeling off. This was around as well as on the radio. Replaced
under Warranty

2nd 2 weeks ago the Electronic Stability Control went out while driving
the car Turns out a module for the ABS system croaked Also replaced
under warranty.

3rd a week ago the clutch overheated and burned out. WITH LESS THAN
7000 MILES ON IT!!!!

Now, if I were new to stick shifts and clutches I can understand and
accept that I may have caused it, but I've been driving manuals
exclusively for 25 years and Saabs exclusively for the past 15 years.
I'm quite used to shifting and I never ride the clutch. Nor do I abuse
the car.

Saab would not do anything on working with me to replace the clutch. No
good will was forthcoming. It cost almoat 2k to replace.

My '94 9000 has 155k on the original clutch. My '88spg had 150k on it
when I sold it (original clutch).

I'm sorry I think the reliability of Saabs has gone downhill. I will
most likely not be buying another one.

Anyone what a slightly used '06 Aero?
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Remove My_Skin to E-mail me.

Trade it in on a non-Saab. You'll take a big hit but you will feel
better. Tell as many people as you can about your bad experience.
There's no room in today's marketplace for an upscale car company who
treats it's loyal customers like crap. Saab's once proud reputation
continues to decline and you can be sure nobody in charge over there
has a clue as to why. The sooner Saab is put out of its misery the
better for all it unwitting customers.

That is exactly what I'm doing. It is up on Autotrader and Sabbnet. As
a replacement I'm leaning towards the Volvo S60 R.


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sfoy (AT) attbi (DOT) com wrote:

On May 14, 3:04 pm, "Craig" <CBobchin (AT) My_Skinsbcglobal (DOT) net> wrote:
Okay, here is the story.
I have an '06 9-3 Aero (my 6th Saab) and this one has had a couple
of problems within a year (two in the last 3 weeks).

1st The coating or paint or whatever they used on the front of the
dash started peeling off. This was around as well as on the radio.
Replaced under Warranty

2nd 2 weeks ago the Electronic Stability Control went out while
driving the car Turns out a module for the ABS system croaked Also
replaced under warranty.

3rd a week ago the clutch overheated and burned out. WITH LESS THAN
7000 MILES ON IT!!!!

Now, if I were new to stick shifts and clutches I can understand and
accept that I may have caused it, but I've been driving manuals
exclusively for 25 years and Saabs exclusively for the past 15
years. I'm quite used to shifting and I never ride the clutch. Nor
do I abuse the car.

Saab would not do anything on working with me to replace the
clutch. No good will was forthcoming. It cost almoat 2k to replace.

My '94 9000 has 155k on the original clutch. My '88spg had 150k on
it when I sold it (original clutch).

I'm sorry I think the reliability of Saabs has gone downhill. I will
most likely not be buying another one.

Anyone what a slightly used '06 Aero?
--
Remove My_Skin to E-mail me.

Trade it in on a non-Saab. You'll take a big hit but you will feel
better. Tell as many people as you can about your bad experience.
There's no room in today's marketplace for an upscale car company who
treats it's loyal customers like crap. Saab's once proud reputation
continues to decline and you can be sure nobody in charge over there
has a clue as to why. The sooner Saab is put out of its misery the
better for all it unwitting customers.

I'd check out the new S80 with the 3.2l inline six. In the same
ballpark for price as the S60R. Less sporting for sure, but it looks
like a nice blend of refinement, luxury, and performance. Of course
you'll have to forgo the manual tranny, but the newest automatics are
so good, it's getting harder and harder to justify a manual.

On May 14, 4:53 pm, "Craig" <CBobchin (AT) My_Skinsbcglobal (DOT) net> wrote:

That is exactly what I'm doing. It is up on Autotrader and Sabbnet. As
a replacement I'm leaning towards the Volvo S60 R.

I thought about that, but the S80 is a lot more expensive. It does have
teh same 4C suspension as the S60R, SInce '07 is teh last year for teh
R series (Which has not been selling real well anyway) dealers are
making insane deals on them.

Unfortunately I may have to go with an automatic, much to my dismay. It
is getting harder and harder to find a manual these days. Esp. in
traffic choked So. Cal.

Craig
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sfoy (AT) attbi (DOT) com wrote:

I'd check out the new S80 with the 3.2l inline six. In the same
ballpark for price as the S60R. Less sporting for sure, but it looks
like a nice blend of refinement, luxury, and performance. Of course
you'll have to forgo the manual tranny, but the newest automatics are
so good, it's getting harder and harder to justify a manual.

On May 14, 4:53 pm, "Craig" <CBobchin (AT) My_Skinsbcglobal (DOT) net> wrote:
That is exactly what I'm doing. It is up on Autotrader and Sabbnet.
As a replacement I'm leaning towards the Volvo S60 R.

I remember going to the auto show in Philadelphia with my Dad back in the
mid 1960's and someone had apparently had an unsatisfactory experience with
a navy blue Lincoln 4-door convertible.

They wrote a letter to Ford in a strongly contrasting yellow paint which
completely covered the body of the car and then they parked it in a very
prominent location directly across from the entry to the auto show.

I suspect that they may have gotten some satisfaction as a result.

You might try something similar with your dealer along with a few videos
posted to youtube or wherever seems appropriate.



"Craig" <CBobchin (AT) My_Skinsbcglobal (DOT) net> wrote

Okay, here is the story.
I have an '06 9-3 Aero (my 6th Saab) and this one has had a couple of
problems within a year (two in the last 3 weeks).

1st The coating or paint or whatever they used on the front of the dash
started peeling off. This was around as well as on the radio. Replaced
under Warranty

2nd 2 weeks ago the Electronic Stability Control went out while driving
the car Turns out a module for the ABS system croaked Also replaced
under warranty.

3rd a week ago the clutch overheated and burned out. WITH LESS THAN
7000 MILES ON IT!!!!

Now, if I were new to stick shifts and clutches I can understand and
accept that I may have caused it, but I've been driving manuals
exclusively for 25 years and Saabs exclusively for the past 15 years.
I'm quite used to shifting and I never ride the clutch. Nor do I abuse
the car.

Saab would not do anything on working with me to replace the clutch. No
good will was forthcoming. It cost almoat 2k to replace.

My '94 9000 has 155k on the original clutch. My '88spg had 150k on it
when I sold it (original clutch).

I'm sorry I think the reliability of Saabs has gone downhill. I will
most likely not be buying another one.

Anyone what a slightly used '06 Aero?
--
Remove My_Skin to E-mail me.

bozo wrote:

I remember going to the auto show in Philadelphia with my Dad back in the
mid 1960's and someone had apparently had an unsatisfactory experience with
a navy blue Lincoln 4-door convertible.

A 4 door convertible ? How on earth would you stop something like that bending
like a banana ?

Graham

clutch burning up at less then 7k miles would burn me up. is there a lemon
law where you are at? I don't know if this would be enough to qualify.
maybe a local news station would like to do a story and embarrass your local
Saab dealer into doing what would be right. where I live a local station
does these kind of stories and they get results.

gee whiz less then 7k miles the new car smell is not even gone yet. except
in your case burned up clutch smell may overpower it.

my wife and I had a ford product that at 15k miles and then less the 30k
miles we had to put in a major brake job. the brakes would all of a sudden
start grinding and then the next day we were to late. had to pay big bucks
to fix. was told it was how she was driving the car. and no she doesn't
drive with 2 feet.

"Craig" <CBobchin (AT) My_Skinsbcglobal (DOT) net> wrote

Okay, here is the story.
I have an '06 9-3 Aero (my 6th Saab) and this one has had a couple of
problems within a year (two in the last 3 weeks).

1st The coating or paint or whatever they used on the front of the dash
started peeling off. This was around as well as on the radio. Replaced
under Warranty

2nd 2 weeks ago the Electronic Stability Control went out while driving
the car Turns out a module for the ABS system croaked Also replaced
under warranty.

3rd a week ago the clutch overheated and burned out. WITH LESS THAN
7000 MILES ON IT!!!!

Now, if I were new to stick shifts and clutches I can understand and
accept that I may have caused it, but I've been driving manuals
exclusively for 25 years and Saabs exclusively for the past 15 years.
I'm quite used to shifting and I never ride the clutch. Nor do I abuse
the car.

Saab would not do anything on working with me to replace the clutch. No
good will was forthcoming. It cost almoat 2k to replace.

My '94 9000 has 155k on the original clutch. My '88spg had 150k on it
when I sold it (original clutch).

I'm sorry I think the reliability of Saabs has gone downhill. I will
most likely not be buying another one.

Anyone what a slightly used '06 Aero?
--
Remove My_Skin to E-mail me.

They may have used a frame . . . although it may simply have been a
reinforced unit-body - check on ebay, probably one of the many for sale
there will have shots of the underbody. Lincoln only built them for about
10 years, though Mercedes had beaten them to it back in the mid-late fifties
with the 300 "Adenauer" series - and that one most likely did have a
separate body on frame construction - and of course the Benz did not have
the suicide door configuration. Well prior to that the configuration was
even a lot more common. I can't imagine that any of them would have been
good places to be in a crash or that they would have been pretty to look at
if they'd been hit with the doors open. I guess the whole car was one big
crumple zone.


"Eeyore" <rabbitsfriendsandrelations (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote

bozo wrote:

I remember going to the auto show in Philadelphia with my Dad back in the
mid 1960's and someone had apparently had an unsatisfactory experience
with
a navy blue Lincoln 4-door convertible.

A 4 door convertible ? How on earth would you stop something like that
bending
like a banana ?

Graham

On May 14, 4:53 pm, "Craig" <CBobchin (AT) My_Skinsbcglobal (DOT) net> wrote:

That is exactly what I'm doing. It is up on Autotrader and Sabbnet. As
a replacement I'm leaning towards the Volvo S60 R.

--
Remove My_Skin to E-mail me.



s... (AT) attbi (DOT) com wrote:
On May 14, 3:04 pm, "Craig" <CBobchin (AT) My_Skinsbcglobal (DOT) net> wrote:
Okay, here is the story.
I have an '06 9-3 Aero (my 6th Saab) and this one has had a couple
of problems within a year (two in the last 3 weeks).

1st The coating or paint or whatever they used on the front of the
dash started peeling off. This was around as well as on the radio.
Replaced under Warranty

2nd 2 weeks ago the Electronic Stability Control went out while
driving the car Turns out a module for the ABS system croaked Also
replaced under warranty.

3rd a week ago the clutch overheated and burned out. WITH LESS THAN
7000 MILES ON IT!!!!

Now, if I were new to stick shifts and clutches I can understand and
accept that I may have caused it, but I've been driving manuals
exclusively for 25 years and Saabs exclusively for the past 15
years. I'm quite used to shifting and I never ride the clutch. Nor
do I abuse the car.

Saab would not do anything on working with me to replace the
clutch. No good will was forthcoming. It cost almoat 2k to replace.

My '94 9000 has 155k on the original clutch. My '88spg had 150k on
it when I sold it (original clutch).

I'm sorry I think the reliability of Saabs has gone downhill. I will
most likely not be buying another one.

Anyone what a slightly used '06 Aero?
--
Remove My_Skin to E-mail me.

Trade it in on a non-Saab. You'll take a big hit but you will feel
better. Tell as many people as you can about your bad experience.
There's no room in today's marketplace for an upscale car company who
treats it's loyal customers like crap. Saab's once proud reputation
continues to decline and you can be sure nobody in charge over there
has a clue as to why. The sooner Saab is put out of its misery the
better for all it unwitting customers.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

My experience with the S60R has been less than satisfying. My wife had
one of the first models, a 2004 which we kept for 22 months and was in
the shop for 52 day. Now, admittedly that was mostly for annoying
items-like the touted suspension that creaked, groaned and frankly
wasn't such a great idea to have electronic suspension with different
setting. I had electronic suspension in my Alfa 164Q and it was much
more supple and "real world" valuable than the Volvo's. I have owned
six Volvos, including the S80 that is coming off lease this month. It
is possible that I just got a lemon but I would drive the car for some
time before making the decision.