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Do You Have A Glove Box?
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Re: Do You Have A Glove Box? -
10-28-2004
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Indeed, this is very true. But as they say: You can't have everything. So I tend to drive more carefully, especially keep distance. Distance is like a bank balance - something you wish you had when surprises turns up. |
learned that the hard way, when I had to stop to avoid kissing the car in
front of me. His mid-front ended up somewhat closer to the block than
originally manufactured, and the headlights were no good after leaving a few
scratches on my rear bumper. Towaway.
I'm afraid my wife will never let me drive anything but SAABs
/Per
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Are we talking about a SAAB here? -meld Valjean wrote: No, really; instructions that rely on it frustrate me, 'cause I think I don't. My 1995 9000 CS doesn't have one. It has an airbag where the glove box is supposed to be. That's probably just in the US and undoubtedly in compliance with some regulation on passenger side airbags. |
reason. I doubt that Saab would regionalise safety features.
Shame - since it's such a handy space.
Graham
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Indeed, this is very true. But as they say: You can't have everything. So I tend to drive more carefully, especially keep distance. Distance is like a bank balance - something you wish you had when surprises turns up. So true. The guy behind me in an ABS-less Nissan (?) a couple of weeks ago learned that the hard way, when I had to stop to avoid kissing the car in front of me. His mid-front ended up somewhat closer to the block than originally manufactured, and the headlights were no good after leaving a few scratches on my rear bumper. Towaway. I'm afraid my wife will never let me drive anything but SAABs |
rear of my towbar equipped Vauxhall Cavalier.
Made a nice wrap round dent in his bumper / fender. No damage to me.
On the subject of ABS - it was raining quite hard today - and following the
advice in the Saab owner's handbook I tried to brake my 9000 unusually hard at
one point ( safely ) to check adhesion. The ABS didn't even kick in despite a
rapid stop.
I've only ever known it operate on snow.
Graham
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On the subject of ABS - it was raining quite hard today - and following the advice in the Saab owner's handbook I tried to brake my 9000 unusually hard at one point ( safely ) to check adhesion. The ABS didn't even kick in despite a rapid stop. I've only ever known it operate on snow. |
whatever will usually do it (DO check the rear-view mirror first...)
/Per
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| Per Laursen wrote: Indeed, this is very true. But as they say: You can't have everything. So I tend to drive more carefully, especially keep distance. Distance is like a bank balance - something you wish you had when surprises turns up. So true. The guy behind me in an ABS-less Nissan (?) a couple of weeks ago learned that the hard way, when I had to stop to avoid kissing the car in front of me. His mid-front ended up somewhat closer to the block than originally manufactured, and the headlights were no good after leaving a few scratches on my rear bumper. Towaway. I'm afraid my wife will never let me drive anything but SAABs Hah ! Reminds me of the time a BMW drove ( at slow speed thankfully ) into the rear of my towbar equipped Vauxhall Cavalier. Made a nice wrap round dent in his bumper / fender. No damage to me. On the subject of ABS - it was raining quite hard today - and following the advice in the Saab owner's handbook I tried to brake my 9000 unusually hard at one point ( safely ) to check adhesion. The ABS didn't even kick in despite a rapid stop. I've only ever known it operate on snow. |
enough input on the binders...
-Fred W
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LauraK wrote: Are we talking about a SAAB here? -meld Valjean wrote: No, really; instructions that rely on it frustrate me, 'cause I think I don't. My 1995 9000 CS doesn't have one. It has an airbag where the glove box is supposed to be. That's probably just in the US and undoubtedly in compliance with some regulation on passenger side airbags. UK models lost the glovebox in the 9000 around that time too for the same reason. I doubt that Saab would regionalise safety features. Yes they do. My '97 9000 CSE doesn't have a passenger side airbag and |
passenger side airbags. That was mainly introduced with the 9-5.
The main reason for this I guess is that, in Sweden, most people having
child seats put them in the passenger seat. Not having an airbag there
improves safety. In Sweden this far there has been no child killed by an
airbag while in US there are a couple of hundred children killed by
airbags and a few children in the rest of Europe (statement by a
researcher from the Swedish National Road and Transport Reseach
Institute, http://www.gp.se/gp/jsp/Crosslink.jsp?d=882&a=186718 in
Swedish only, sorry).
Probably the increased use of passenger side airbags will eventually
result in children being killed by airbags here as well as somewhere
between 5000 and 10000 children are sitting in front of an airbag.
The research institute site, http://www.vti.se/edefault.asp , is quite a
good source of information as many classical thoughts on good and bad in
traffic get real data here. Did you know that using a hands-free mobile
gives no better driving performance than with an ordinary mobile!
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th
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The main reason for this I guess is that, in Sweden, most people having child seats put them in the passenger seat. Not having an airbag there improves safety. In Sweden this far there has been no child killed by an airbag while in US there are a couple of hundred children killed by airbags and a few children in the rest of Europe (statement by a researcher from the Swedish National Road and Transport Reseach Institute, http://www.gp.se/gp/jsp/Crosslink.jsp?d=882&a=186718 in Swedish only, sorry). |
occurrence of people (not just children) being killed by airbags, is
that US airbags are much bigger than european ones. European ones are
designed to work alongside the seat belts. US ones (I think) have to
be able to protect people who aren't even wearing seat belts.
Cheers,
Colin.
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I've heard that one other reason why the US has a comparatively high occurrence of people (not just children) being killed by airbags, is that US airbags are much bigger than european ones. European ones are designed to work alongside the seat belts. US ones (I think) have to |
impossible to keep 'em in a location for the airbag to help, no matter
how big the airbag was. I'm also not aware that there are different
airbags for different markets.
If anything, it's probably a combination of population sizes and, ahem,
a lower likelihood of Europeans doing stupid things.
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I've heard that one other reason why the US has a comparatively high occurrence of people (not just children) being killed by airbags, is that US airbags are much bigger than european ones. European ones are designed to work alongside the seat belts. US ones (I think) have to be able to protect people who aren't even wearing seat belts. |
it comes with a bag that doesn't expand so forcefully. US cars also carry
warnings that children under 12 years old should only ride in the back seat.
More on airbags from National highway traffic safety admin. (U.S. government)
http://www.nhtsa.gov/airbags/
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On Sat, 30 Oct 2004 21:37:11 +0100, Colin Stamp <colin (AT) stamp (DOT) plus.com> wrote: that US airbags are much bigger than european ones. European ones are I don't think so. |
airbags in automobiles intended for other markets.
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The original concept of the airbag in the United States was as a passive restraint safety feature and even today, US legislation determines that the airbag should decelerate the otherwise unrestrained driver and is of higher volume and deployed in a shorter time-frame in comparison to systems used in Europe and Australasia. In the United States, legislation on safety issues is released by the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA), with the Federal Motor Vehicle Safety Standard (FMVSS) 208 for frontal impacts calling for testing of airbags as a passive restraint system without the use of a seat belt. This is because in some US states, the seat belt wearing rate is less than 50% and therefore the system has to be optimised for unrestrained occupants which implies a generally more aggressive system. In Europe, the legislation ECE R94 for offset frontal impact protection developed by the European Enhanced-safety of Vehicles Committee (EEVC) focuses on the airbag as a supplementary restraint system with a seat belted occupant and the use of a less aggressive airbag. Therefore, the emphasis on airbags for Europe and Australasia is as a 'Supplementary Restraint System' to the lap shoulder seat belts. Thus in general, deployment thresholds are higher and airbag volumes lower in these 'Supplementary Restraint Systems' compared to the 'Passive Restraint Systems' found in the Unites States. |
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