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Dexter J
 
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Default Re: Smokin' exhaust - more info..... - 07-23-2003 , 10:40 AM






Salutations:

Grunff wrote:
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Dexter J wrote:

I don't mean to disagree and I always differ to brother Grunff on these
ones - however - isn't it be worth the final test before it's head comes
off - or is it superfluous given the symptoms?..

Dexter - I'm no expert, so *please* disagree with me.

I've never done the stem seals with the head on the engine -
sounds a bit scary. But I guess if you're going to do that, then
it makes more sense to do as you suggest.

--
Grunff
Well brother Grunff - your published advise to this point would indicates
otherwise - I have yet to see a post from your node that I felt was heading
in a wrong direction whereas I can point to several of mine that most
certainly were..

While I don't know if it's possible in a SAAB (which is why I asked) or
advisable for this situation - I've had a couple of seals done on another
machine with the head on by bringing the piston in question to TDC -
removing the spring and cap - then carefully removing and replacing the
seal (dental tool helps greatly).. The procedure counts on doing it fast
and making enough compression on the valve seats/rings to hold the valve in
place..

However - I still am not sure that the seals aren't just half the problem
for brother Evans (and this is where SAABs start to suck the joy of life
out of you if you are not careful)..

A bank of cracked seals at the published mileage might indicate that the
head has been (or is being) overheated - thusly - while I would spring for
the leak down just to make sure, I think that the head gasket is almost
certainly weeping and perhaps the head itself has been damaged (although
less likely).. But - while I also think the water cooled turbo is a lot
tougher than it's given credit for - all that steam could indeed be a
squeaked turbo bearing/seal as well as the valve seals..

Unfortunately - there are almost endless possibilities on this one and why
I was suggesting a good leak down test across the system(s)..

I have always felt heat was a sort of achilles heel for SAABs - they, like
all good things and people nordic, seem to have very little engineered
tolerance for excessive heat - which is fair enough - that little 2.0l is
working very hard for the money.. Heck, I start flopping around the studio
and making steam every time it gets above 80F around here myself.. ..

I wonder if they ever did an all aluminum block for special application
when they still had a racing team?..

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Grunff
 
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Default Re: Smokin' exhaust - more info..... - 07-23-2003 , 12:44 PM






Dexter J wrote:

Quote:
Well brother Grunff - your published advise to this point would indicates
otherwise - I have yet to see a post from your node that I felt was heading
in a wrong direction whereas I can point to several of mine that most
certainly were..
You're too kind <blush>.


Quote:
While I don't know if it's possible in a SAAB (which is why I asked) or
advisable for this situation - I've had a couple of seals done on another
machine with the head on by bringing the piston in question to TDC -
removing the spring and cap - then carefully removing and replacing the
seal (dental tool helps greatly).. The procedure counts on doing it fast
and making enough compression on the valve seats/rings to hold the valve in
place..
Just looked in my Bentley, and it does explicitly describe a
procedure for doing the seals with the head in situ.


Quote:
A bank of cracked seals at the published mileage might indicate that the
head has been (or is being) overheated - thusly - while I would spring for
the leak down just to make sure, I think that the head gasket is almost
certainly weeping and perhaps the head itself has been damaged (although
less likely).. But - while I also think the water cooled turbo is a lot
tougher than it's given credit for - all that steam could indeed be a
squeaked turbo bearing/seal as well as the valve seals..
Very true - it could easily be a combination.


Quote:
Unfortunately - there are almost endless possibilities on this one and why
I was suggesting a good leak down test across the system(s)..
It would certainly eliminate/confirm the possibility of the
smoke being coolant derived.


Quote:
I have always felt heat was a sort of achilles heel for SAABs - they, like
all good things and people nordic, seem to have very little engineered
tolerance for excessive heat - which is fair enough - that little 2.0l is
working very hard for the money.. Heck, I start flopping around the studio
and making steam every time it gets above 80F around here myself.. ..
I'll never forget my first 900 (83 twincarb), which blew a
headgasket in a major way, such that only two cylinders were
firing. It still managed to get us home from Devon to London
(200+ miles) chugging along at 40mph on the motorway. Took many
hours, but we were very proud of it. Needless to say that way
the end of that engine.


Quote:
I wonder if they ever did an all aluminum block for special application
when they still had a racing team?..
Dunno, I've never heard of one, but you never know.

--
Grunff



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Dexter J
 
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Default Re: Smokin' exhaust - more info..... - 07-23-2003 , 01:12 PM



Salutations:

Grunff wrote:
Quote:
Dexter J wrote:

While I don't know if it's possible in a SAAB (which is why I asked) or
advisable for this situation - I've had a couple of seals done on another
machine with the head on by bringing the piston in question to TDC -
removing the spring and cap - then carefully removing and replacing the
seal (dental tool helps greatly).. The procedure counts on doing it fast
and making enough compression on the valve seats/rings to hold the valve in
place..

Just looked in my Bentley, and it does explicitly describe a
procedure for doing the seals with the head in situ.

Thank you - filed for reference as I wasn't sure..

If the Canadian dollar ever recovers and I can find a long term shell for
my current 9000T engine - I think it may be time to update my library..

Quote:
I have always felt heat was a sort of achilles heel for SAABs - they, like
all good things and people nordic, seem to have very little engineered
tolerance for excessive heat - which is fair enough - that little 2.0l is
working very hard for the money.. Heck, I start flopping around the studio
and making steam every time it gets above 80F around here myself.. ..

I'll never forget my first 900 (83 twincarb), which blew a
headgasket in a major way, such that only two cylinders were
firing. It still managed to get us home from Devon to London
(200+ miles) chugging along at 40mph on the motorway. Took many
hours, but we were very proud of it. Needless to say that way
the end of that engine.

You never really forget your first one. I still have the key on my chain..
..

Quote:
I wonder if they ever did an all aluminum block for special application
when they still had a racing team?..

Dunno, I've never heard of one, but you never know.

--
Grunff

I'll bet they did one for rally - but it is very probably holding up the
corner of a card table in at GM marketing or over at the Scania Aircraft
factory running a pony generator..

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Default Re: Smokin' exhaust - more info..... - 07-23-2003 , 04:43 PM



I'm following all this with great interest. Andy

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