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Default scrappage & end of the road for my 9000 - 05-31-2009 , 04:15 PM






getting my 1996 Saab 2.3 eco thru the next mot looks like its not worthwhile
.... my wife was the main driver, only does town driving and looks like
scrappage for a new small car is what she wants...

That being the case... if the car is going to be scrapped (and I believe the
gov mean crushed rather than scrapped for parts?)
I would like to maximize my returns by removing any small/high value/easy
to remove parts which I could sell on (ebay) while still leaving the car
drivable (to the dealers)...

Things which come to mind are my spare remote fob (good condition lightly
used)...
the sunvisors (as I had to replace them a couple of years ago due to the old
ones flopping down)...

Any suggestions for other things? (the DI is pretty new ... but I guess that
will have to stay )


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Default Re: scrappage & end of the road for my 9000 - 05-31-2009 , 05:05 PM








andy smith wrote:
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getting my 1996 Saab 2.3 eco thru the next mot looks like its not worthwhile
... my wife was the main driver, only does town driving and looks like
scrappage for a new small car is what she wants...

That being the case... if the car is going to be scrapped (and I believe the
gov mean crushed rather than scrapped for parts?)
I would like to maximize my returns by removing any small/high value/easy
to remove parts which I could sell on (ebay) while still leaving the car
drivable (to the dealers)...

Things which come to mind are my spare remote fob (good condition lightly
used)...
the sunvisors (as I had to replace them a couple of years ago due to the old
ones flopping down)...

Any suggestions for other things? (the DI is pretty new ... but I guess that
will have to stay )
Quite ridiculous idea to crush such a nice car, unless the gov deliberately
wants to cut off the supply of parts. Poorer countries of the world are not so
darft. They happily run 50 year old cars and have tremendous skills in fixing
them. And for those green freaks, they even modern engines into them.

Anyway, you should certainly put it on ebay as parts. As I mentioned here a
while back, I was lucky to get a complete front door with everything on ebay
after a stupid accident when I reversed into a pillar in an underground car
park.

What colour is your car?


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Default Re: scrappage & end of the road for my 9000 - 06-01-2009 , 06:24 AM



me <noemail (AT) nothere (DOT) com> gurgled happily, sounding much like they were
saying:

Quote:
I'm not sure how it works in the UK, but here in the USA there are
plenty of folks with ramp trucks who will come by and pay you cash for
any car to get the steel for scrap. You can strip most anything like
lights, interior parts, engine accessories, etc - they just haul it up
on the ramp with a winch and take it away.

That said (and again noting my ignorance of UK laws) you could also sell
it, or the remaining "it" after you do some stripping, to someone for
parts.
No problem with any of that here, but the government's currently offering
a £2,000 discount off any new car in return for scrapping one pre-99 that
you've owned for 12mo or more.

Except, as always with government discounts, it isn't quite what it seems.

It's £2000 off the LIST price only of a BRAND new car, not pre-reg, ex-
demo or slightly used, or off the discounted price.
It's not even £2000. It's £1000 from the government and £1000 from the
manufacturer. And, let's be honest, that grand's going to be on the table
anyway.
It's not even £1000. The dealer has to do a chunk of paperwork,
documenting the scrapping, in return for it.

So we're actually talking about £800 or so, in practice. Which is a lot
less than you could save by buying an ex-demo, pre-reg or ever so
slightly used one.


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Default Re: scrappage & end of the road for my 9000 - 06-01-2009 , 02:07 PM





Adrian wrote:
Quote:
me <noemail (AT) nothere (DOT) com> gurgled happily, sounding much like they were
saying:

I'm not sure how it works in the UK, but here in the USA there are
plenty of folks with ramp trucks who will come by and pay you cash for
any car to get the steel for scrap. You can strip most anything like
lights, interior parts, engine accessories, etc - they just haul it up
on the ramp with a winch and take it away.

That said (and again noting my ignorance of UK laws) you could also sell
it, or the remaining "it" after you do some stripping, to someone for
parts.

No problem with any of that here, but the government's currently offering
a £2,000 discount off any new car in return for scrapping one pre-99 that
you've owned for 12mo or more.

Except, as always with government discounts, it isn't quite what it seems.

It's £2000 off the LIST price only of a BRAND new car, not pre-reg, ex-
demo or slightly used, or off the discounted price.
It's not even £2000. It's £1000 from the government and £1000 from the
manufacturer. And, let's be honest, that grand's going to be on the table
anyway.
It's not even £1000. The dealer has to do a chunk of paperwork,
documenting the scrapping, in return for it.

So we're actually talking about £800 or so, in practice. Which is a lot
less than you could save by buying an ex-demo, pre-reg or ever so
slightly used one.
And you would also get a discount of at least £1000 from list price anyway,
so the dealer contribution is really nowt.

And as someone pointed out, it's unlikely that you would have a worthless
banger if he can afford to buy new. As far as I've heard, most of these
purchases are small cars. I wouldn't mind a Nano since you could get it
for free, by courtesy of HMS guv.


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Adrian
 
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Default Re: scrappage & end of the road for my 9000 - 06-02-2009 , 02:22 AM



johannes <johs (AT) sizefi9727247tter (DOT) com> gurgled happily, sounding much like
they were saying:

Quote:
And as someone pointed out, it's unlikely that you would have a
worthless banger if he can afford to buy new.
I was talking to the dealer principal of a very large dealer last night -
3000+ new car registrations per year.

They're getting about the level of interest in the scrappage they were
expecting - it's increased business a bit - BUT his personal view is that
it's the wrong cars being traded in.

The people trading cars in are tending to be older, and the cars being
traded in are mainly one-owner, low mileage and very, very tidy. They're
cars with a LOT of life left in them. And, of course, the sheds remain on
the roads, because they're the ones owned by people who couldn't even
contemplate that price jump.


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Default Re: scrappage & end of the road for my 9000 - 06-04-2009 , 09:01 AM





andy smith wrote:

Quote:
getting my 1996 Saab 2.3 eco thru the next mot looks like its not worthwhile
What's wrong with it ? I was still driving a '93 2.0 LPT until recently and it
had little trouble ever with MOTs ( aside from when the back box needed
replacing and then the rest of the exhaust inc catalyser fell apart in sympathy
- THAT was expensive ).

Graham


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Default Re: scrappage & end of the road for my 9000 - 06-04-2009 , 09:25 AM





Adrian wrote:

Quote:
johannes <johs (AT) sizefi9727247tter (DOT) com> gurgled happily, sounding much like
they were saying:

And as someone pointed out, it's unlikely that you would have a
worthless banger if he can afford to buy new.

I was talking to the dealer principal of a very large dealer last night -
3000+ new car registrations per year.

They're getting about the level of interest in the scrappage they were
expecting - it's increased business a bit - BUT his personal view is that
it's the wrong cars being traded in.

The people trading cars in are tending to be older, and the cars being
traded in are mainly one-owner, low mileage and very, very tidy. They're
cars with a LOT of life left in them. And, of course, the sheds remain on
the roads, because they're the ones owned by people who couldn't even
contemplate that price jump.
Kind of predicable really. It shouldn't have been a 'blanket' scheme with
decent cars getting scrapped.

Graham


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Default Re: scrappage & end of the road for my 9000 - 06-05-2009 , 07:09 PM



yes it hurts me to scrap it ...
and I think the government scrappage scheme is misguided (though convenient)
however, I am no longer able to work on it, no longer the main driver, it
requires several things (exhaust sections, brakes, ball joints, cv gators,
battery etc), and most importantly
SWMBO wants a newer, smaller, less thirsty car.

It was a great workhorse for the last 180 odd k miles -
-best car I've ever had - and if it was solely up to me I'd probably still
pay the bills on it ... (though we are getting to the point of diminishing
returns)
but as I've hinted - I've been over-ruled. :-(

Quote:
What's wrong with it ? I was still driving a '93 2.0 LPT until recently
and it
had little trouble ever with MOTs ( aside from when the back box needed
replacing and then the rest of the exhaust inc catalyser fell apart in
sympathy
- THAT was expensive ).

Graham



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Default Re: scrappage & end of the road for my 9000 - 06-06-2009 , 04:53 AM



"Eeyore" <rabbitsfriendsandrelations (AT) notcoldmail (DOT) com> wrote

Quote:

Adrian wrote:

johannes <johs (AT) sizefi9727247tter (DOT) com> gurgled happily, sounding much like
they were saying:

And as someone pointed out, it's unlikely that you would have a
worthless banger if he can afford to buy new.

I was talking to the dealer principal of a very large dealer last night -
3000+ new car registrations per year.

They're getting about the level of interest in the scrappage they were
expecting - it's increased business a bit - BUT his personal view is that
it's the wrong cars being traded in.

The people trading cars in are tending to be older, and the cars being
traded in are mainly one-owner, low mileage and very, very tidy. They're
cars with a LOT of life left in them. And, of course, the sheds remain on
the roads, because they're the ones owned by people who couldn't even
contemplate that price jump.

Kind of predicable really. It shouldn't have been a 'blanket' scheme with
decent cars getting scrapped.

Agreed. Maybe introducing the "MOT failure" aspect or something, so that
decent older cars that have lots of life left in them are encouraged to be
kept on the road. How many miles does a modern, low carbon footprint
machine have to do before it has a lower output compared with an older
machine. Essentially, those people who are able to buy a new car are simply
being encouraged by the "easy discount" factor. So plenty of 15 year older,
larger cars are being chopped in for 1.0s to be used for the city. That's
great for the VAT revenue and in theory it'll reduce local pollution in
cities.

But like so much "green" tax incentives, they're all about tax revenue
hashed up in concerns for the environment.

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