Wife is itching for a new kiddie-carrier... Considering it... But would
love to know all I can about it's weaknesses first.

Joe in Northern, NJ - V#8013-R

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"Joe" <really-faked-but-works (AT) yunx (DOT) com> wrote in
news:E67Sj.6184$WS1.1762@trndny04:

Joe, I have been itching over the Outlook for awhile too.
I drove one about two weeks back - big , heavy, roomy, good power.
It does shift kinda hard and early when accelerating.

The 7/8 passenger seating is nice.
The 4500 tow rating is nice.
The 235 hp is nice.

The EPA estimates... not nice.
Also not nice, once you deck it out you are talking $40k !

I am collecting info on lots of other 7/8 passenger vehicles with tow
ratings above 4000 lbs - but EPA estimates of 20 city and 25 hwy or
better. I'd love to go hybrid, but it isn't there yet - they are doing
the BIG SUV's first, then maybe the Crossovers.

All I know is that the first generations (2007) had a shifting paradigm
issue which was resolved by a software update. 2008 Outlooks have this
already fixed. 24mpg hwy in a SUV with 275hp isn't too bad. The shifting on
the new V6's is something new for people used to dino-guzzling V8's, instead
of being tossed back into the seat, the V6 is very smooth.

check out www.cars.com and MSN Autos as well to compare and read all about
them.

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"Joe" <really-faked-but-works (AT) yunx (DOT) com> wrote

PerfectReign wrote:
Hmm, the highway mileage is 21% better on the Outlook. That's a fairly
significant difference.

If the Saturn dealer is actually sticking to MSRP, which I doubt, then
the Tahoe will have a lower street price.

No one is taking the Outlook off-road, so I question the need for a
locking or LS differential. It's like taking a Honda CR-V off road. The
AWD is good for one thing, and that's satisfying the legal requirement
to not put on chains when the CHP requires chains for non-AWD vehicles.

Yes, if you need a true SUV, rather than an MTV (Mall Terrain Vehicle).

RepublicansDestroyAmerica (AT) gmail (DOT) com wrote:

I looked at that section of the South Carolina code. It's not closing
costs for a loan that it refers to,

"SECTION 37-2-307. Notice of closing fees on motor vehicle sales
contract; registration fees.

Every motor vehicle dealer charging closing fees on a motor vehicle
sales contract shall pay a one-time registration fee of ten dollars
during each state fiscal year to the Department of Consumer Affairs. The
closing fee must be included in the advertised price of the motor
vehicle, disclosed on the sales contract, and displayed in a conspicuous
location in the motor vehicle dealership."

It's a sleazy way of adding additional dealer mark-up to the vehicle
price, that especially benefits Saturn dealers because they aren't
allowed by Saturn to add additional dealer mark-up. I'd stay away from
this dealer just on principle, especially because the fee is so high. If
it was $30 or $40 it wouldn't be worth arguing about, but $199 is
outrageous, that's another 1% on a 19,900 car.

scharf.steven (AT) geemail (DOT) com & RepublicansDestroyAmerica (AT) gmail (DOT) com

Why are you replying to yourself.

<quote>It's a sleazy way of adding additional dealer mark-up to the vehicle
price, that especially benefits Saturn dealers because they aren't
allowed by Saturn to add additional dealer mark-up.I'd stay away from
this dealer just on principle, especially because the fee is so
high.</quote>

NO, it's called "disclosure". Most dealerships hit you with some kind of
closing fee or doc fee and will hide it when you get into the finance
office. This place simply posted it on the home page - right up front for
all to see. Again, most places won't even disclose that they have this fee
and will add it in without your knowledge. This is not the only dealership
that has this on their website, btw, nor is it the only dealership that
charges some kind of closing fee. If you don't believe that, then go shop
Chevy and see what happens. But that's not the real reason you are posting
these nasties and then replying back to yourself, is it?

Speaking of "principal" Please stop trolling, StevenDestroysSaturn (AT) jerk (DOT) com.

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