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Default Clutch again? - 12-02-2007 , 03:35 PM






I have a 92 Saturn SL2, 5 speed manual. I put in a new clutch
(purchased at Advanced Auto Parts) in March of this year. It's been
fine until suddenly Thursday night...

- At the last stop sign before home, it was difficult to get back into
first gear
- As the clutch came out, there was a bad vibration and the RPM count
seemed atypically high
- It did go and made the last two blocks. The smell was a burning
smell, but not so much oil. It reminds me more of burning aluminum
(like in an electrical fire)
- The transmission case fluid was at the add pint line, so we added a
pint.
- I coaxed it into first and even 2nd and reverse.
- I looked at it on blocks - no sign of any extra fluid loss
- There is vibration in the clutch pedal even in neutral
- After a little RPM runups, the vibration is largely gone, but the
clutch is slipping badly; I can let the clutch out with the break on
and it doesn't kill the engine

- One other piece of background: I slopily let the engine oil get
down to 1 QT below the add point (i.e., I put 2 quarts in). The
engine seems to be running fine now, however.

Question: What might have caused the short term bad vibration? Is it
plausible that I just got a bad clutch? What might I have done wrong
when I put the clutch in to cause it to go south in 8 months?

Thanks for any thoughts!

Thomas.

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Default Re: Clutch again? - 12-03-2007 , 10:13 AM






IFlyJava wrote:
Quote:
I have a 92 Saturn SL2, 5 speed manual. I put in a new clutch
(purchased at Advanced Auto Parts) in March of this year. It's been
fine until suddenly Thursday night...

- At the last stop sign before home, it was difficult to get back into
first gear
- As the clutch came out, there was a bad vibration and the RPM count
seemed atypically high
- It did go and made the last two blocks. The smell was a burning
smell, but not so much oil. It reminds me more of burning aluminum
(like in an electrical fire)
- The transmission case fluid was at the add pint line, so we added a
pint.
- I coaxed it into first and even 2nd and reverse.
- I looked at it on blocks - no sign of any extra fluid loss
- There is vibration in the clutch pedal even in neutral
- After a little RPM runups, the vibration is largely gone, but the
clutch is slipping badly; I can let the clutch out with the break on
and it doesn't kill the engine

- One other piece of background: I slopily let the engine oil get
down to 1 QT below the add point (i.e., I put 2 quarts in). The
engine seems to be running fine now, however.

Question: What might have caused the short term bad vibration? Is it
plausible that I just got a bad clutch? What might I have done wrong
when I put the clutch in to cause it to go south in 8 months?

Thanks for any thoughts!

Thomas.
Sounds like the clutch disc came apart. What might you have done wrong
to cause it to fail so soon? You bought a cheap clutch made in China.
Doesn't matter if it has a lifetime warranty. Are you going to risk
replacing it with the same piece of crap? I hope not. Replace everything
you bought at Advanced Auto Parts with dealer or KNOWN GOOD aftermarket
parts like ACT.

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Everyone thinks they are good drivers.


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Default Re: Clutch again? - 12-03-2007 , 10:34 AM



On Dec 3, 9:13 am, Gyzmologist <ru-n... (AT) home (DOT) com> wrote:
Quote:
IFlyJava wrote:
I have a 92 Saturn SL2, 5 speed manual. I put in a new clutch
(purchased at Advanced Auto Parts) in March of this year. It's been
fine until suddenly Thursday night...

- At the last stop sign before home, it was difficult to get back into
first gear
- As the clutch came out, there was a bad vibration and the RPM count
seemed atypically high
- It did go and made the last two blocks. The smell was a burning
smell, but not so much oil. It reminds me more of burning aluminum
(like in an electrical fire)
- The transmission case fluid was at the add pint line, so we added a
pint.
- I coaxed it into first and even 2nd and reverse.
- I looked at it on blocks - no sign of any extra fluid loss
- There is vibration in the clutch pedal even in neutral
- After a little RPM runups, the vibration is largely gone, but the
clutch is slipping badly; I can let the clutch out with the break on
and it doesn't kill the engine

- One other piece of background: I slopily let the engine oil get
down to 1 QT below the add point (i.e., I put 2 quarts in). The
engine seems to be running fine now, however.

Question: What might have caused the short term bad vibration? Is it
plausible that I just got a bad clutch? What might I have done wrong
when I put the clutch in to cause it to go south in 8 months?

Thanks for any thoughts!

Thomas.

Sounds like the clutch disc came apart. What might you have done wrong
to cause it to fail so soon? You bought a cheap clutch made in China.
Doesn't matter if it has a lifetime warranty. Are you going to risk
replacing it with the same piece of crap? I hope not. Replace everything
you bought at Advanced Auto Parts with dealer or KNOWN GOOD aftermarket
parts like ACT.

--
Gyz

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Everyone thinks they are good drivers.- Hide quoted text -

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I'm not likely to replace it with the same unit. Is ACT a brand or a
chain? Where would I go for ACT?


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Default Re: Clutch again? - 12-07-2007 , 02:54 PM



IFlyJava wrote:
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I'm not likely to replace it with the same unit. Is ACT a brand or a
chain? Where would I go for ACT?
ACT is a brand that has been around for quite a while. Here is a link to
their web site:

http://www.advancedclutch.com/

They are not the only ones that make good clutches, but this is the
brand I have been using for over 10 years. I checked their site and they
don't have much of a selection for your car. What they do have is very
expensive (>$500).

Here is another site you can check out:

http://www.nopionline.com/nopistore/index.cfm

I checked some of the other sites I have used in the past and none of
them carry parts for Saturn cars. Most focus on Honda & Mitsubishi (two
cars I have sooped up).

Your best source for a good clutch might be Saturn. If you live in the
Phoenix area I might be able to help as I know someone that works at a
Saturn dealership.

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Lane
 
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Default Re: Clutch again? - 12-13-2007 , 01:05 AM



I have an ACT clutch in my race car and it's way too expensive and overkill
for a regular street-driven car. I chose to put an OEM equivalent
replacement in my street car when it needed it. I'm not positive, but I
believe that OEM Saturn clutch may be a Luk unit, and I've seen these
available on eBay for around $150.

Lane [ lane (at) evilplastic.com ]
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"Gyzmologist" <ru-nuts (AT) home (DOT) com> wrote

Quote:
IFlyJava wrote:
I have a 92 Saturn SL2, 5 speed manual. I put in a new clutch
(purchased at Advanced Auto Parts) in March of this year. It's been
fine until suddenly Thursday night...

- At the last stop sign before home, it was difficult to get back into
first gear
- As the clutch came out, there was a bad vibration and the RPM count
seemed atypically high
- It did go and made the last two blocks. The smell was a burning
smell, but not so much oil. It reminds me more of burning aluminum
(like in an electrical fire)
- The transmission case fluid was at the add pint line, so we added a
pint.
- I coaxed it into first and even 2nd and reverse.
- I looked at it on blocks - no sign of any extra fluid loss
- There is vibration in the clutch pedal even in neutral
- After a little RPM runups, the vibration is largely gone, but the
clutch is slipping badly; I can let the clutch out with the break on
and it doesn't kill the engine

- One other piece of background: I slopily let the engine oil get
down to 1 QT below the add point (i.e., I put 2 quarts in). The
engine seems to be running fine now, however.

Question: What might have caused the short term bad vibration? Is it
plausible that I just got a bad clutch? What might I have done wrong
when I put the clutch in to cause it to go south in 8 months?

Thanks for any thoughts!

Thomas.

Sounds like the clutch disc came apart. What might you have done wrong to
cause it to fail so soon? You bought a cheap clutch made in China. Doesn't
matter if it has a lifetime warranty. Are you going to risk replacing it
with the same piece of crap? I hope not. Replace everything you bought at
Advanced Auto Parts with dealer or KNOWN GOOD aftermarket parts like ACT.

--
Gyz

Everyone thinks they know how to drive.
Everyone thinks they are good drivers.



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