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Interesting take on Ethanol and flex fuels
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Re: Interesting take on Ethanol and flex fuels -
08-24-2008
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On Aug 23, 1:53*pm, Orval Fairbairn <o_r_fairbairn (AT) earth_link (DOT) net wrote: In article ba101047-d2c1-4720-a495-936b89d66... (AT) i76g2000hsf (DOT) googlegroups.com>, *raam... (AT) gmail (DOT) com wrote: On Aug 17, 11:51*am, "marx404" <4... (AT) 404 (DOT) com> wrote: Hydrogen cars. As far as the Honda Clarity, refer to the Saturn EV1, mark my words, history will repeat itself once the leases are up. (ref: Who killed the electric car?) How about Mr. Garrison's "IT" vehicle in the South Park episode? Personally I think it makes more sense than E85. -- marx404 I looked up the story of the ev1 you refered to, very interesting. I've got who killed the electric car ? on order, looking forward to seeing it. I think some important lessons may be learned from that thank you The answer to "Who Killed the Electric Car?" is "Physics and Chemistry." No battery ever built can store enough energy (at a reasonable weight) to compete with hydrocarbon-fueled engines. -- Remove _'s *from email address to talk to me.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - how about in terms of emissions ? |
solar, all you are doing is transferring the emissions to another
location.
In any event, batteries are STILL a very inefficient means of storing
motive energy -- they are limited by the laws of physics and chemistry
-- subjects with which most environmentalists and politicians have, at
best, minimal knowledge.
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In article cb77a0d3-3c95-4810-9e87-9c3497743... (AT) w7g2000hsa (DOT) googlegroups.com>, *raam... (AT) gmail (DOT) com wrote: On Aug 23, 1:53*pm, Orval Fairbairn <o_r_fairbairn (AT) earth_link (DOT) net wrote: In article ba101047-d2c1-4720-a495-936b89d66... (AT) i76g2000hsf (DOT) googlegroups.com>, *raam... (AT) gmail (DOT) com wrote: On Aug 17, 11:51*am, "marx404" <4... (AT) 404 (DOT) com> wrote: Hydrogen cars. As far as the Honda Clarity, refer to the Saturn EV1, mark my words, history will repeat itself once the leases are up. (ref: Who killed the electric car?) How about Mr. Garrison's "IT" vehicle in the South Park episode? Personally I think it makes more sense than E85. -- marx404 I looked up the story of the ev1 you refered to, very interesting. I've got who killed the electric car ? on order, looking forward to seeing it. I think some important lessons may be learned from that thank you The answer to "Who Killed the Electric Car?" is "Physics and Chemistry." No battery ever built can store enough energy (at a reasonable weight) to compete with hydrocarbon-fueled engines. -- Remove _'s *from email address to talk to me.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - how about in terms of emissions ? Unless your original source of electricity is nuclear, hydro, wind *or solar, all you are doing is transferring the emissions to another location. In any event, batteries are STILL a very inefficient means of storing motive energy -- they are limited by the laws of physics and chemistry -- subjects with which most environmentalists and politicians have, at best, minimal knowledge. -- Remove _'s *from email address to talk to me.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - |
generators are cleaner to produce the electricity to charge a battery
than gas to go the same distance
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Orval Fairbairn turned on the Etch-A-Sketch and wrote: I looked up the story of the ev1 you refered to, very interesting. I've got who killed the electric car ? on order, looking forward to seeing it. I think some important lessons may be learned from that thank you The answer to "Who Killed the Electric Car?" is "Physics and Chemistry." No battery ever built can store enough energy (at a reasonable weight) to compete with hydrocarbon-fueled engines. What about when you use the dilithium crystals in the engine? Huh? -- www.perfectreign.com || www.filesite.org powered by the lizard: www.opensuse.org |
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"PerfectReign" <theperfectreign (AT) yahoo (DOT) com> wrote in message news:6hc66kFk2hvfU2 (AT) mid (DOT) individual.net... Orval Fairbairn turned on the Etch-A-Sketch and wrote: I looked up the story of the ev1 you refered to, very interesting. I've got who killed the electric car ? on order, looking forward to seeing it. I think some important lessons may be learned from that thank you The answer to "Who Killed the Electric Car?" is "Physics and Chemistry." No battery ever built can store enough energy (at a reasonable weight) to compete with hydrocarbon-fueled engines. What about when you use the dilithium crystals in the engine? Huh? -- www.perfectreign.com || www.filesite.org powered by the lizard: www.opensuse.org Don't dilithium crystals require a matter-anti-matter reactor? I think we have to wait for Ephram Cochrane to invent it. |
alcohol and batteries.
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it's bullshit lip flapping; hydrogen fuel makes the most sense, universally available, easy to produce and a significant source of energy; this flex fuels nonsense is just more footdragging by the small minded herd mentallity pandemic in detroit. gm is in a fight to survive and these imbecile execs waffel over flex fuels- it will be justice when they are begging for change on the street corner in a few years. morons ! |
fuel? How about the cost to build production facilities? You got a clue
as to the distribution and refueling problems? Obviously not.
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it's bullshit lip flapping; hydrogen fuel makes the most sense, universally available, easy to produce and a significant source of energy; this flex fuels nonsense is just more footdragging by the small minded herd mentallity pandemic in detroit. gm is in a fight to survive and these imbecile execs waffel over flex fuels- it will be justice when they are begging for change on the street corner in a few years. morons ! Hey moron, do you know how much energy it takes to produce hydrogen fuel? How about the cost to build production facilities? You got a clue as to the distribution and refueling problems? Obviously not. |
very high pressures or extremenly low temperatures (around 30 K), has a
combustible range in air from 3% to 97%, burns with a clear flame and is
colorless and odorless. Most hydrogen comes from natural gas, not
electrolysis.
Hydrocarbons are a far more efficient and safer means of carrying fuel.
The Fischer-Frosch process converts coal to usable hydrocarbons, if we
cannot get them from petroleum.
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In article <y4Gsk.9533$_s1.3... (AT) newsfe07 (DOT) iad>, *Gyzmologist <ru-n... (AT) home (DOT) com> wrote: it's bullshit lip flapping; hydrogen fuel makes the most sense, universally available, easy to produce and a significant source of energy; this flex fuels nonsense is just more footdragging by the small minded herd mentallity pandemic in detroit. gm is in a fight to survive and these imbecile execs waffel over flex fuels- it will be justice when they are begging for change on the street corner in a few years. morons ! Hey moron, do you know how much energy it takes to produce hydrogen fuel? How about the cost to build production facilities? You got a clue as to the distribution and refueling problems? Obviously not. Not only that, but pure hydrogen has a very low density, requires either very high pressures or extremenly low temperatures (around 30 K), has a combustible range in air from 3% to 97%, burns with a clear flame and is colorless and odorless. Most hydrogen comes from natural gas, not electrolysis. Hydrocarbons are a far more efficient and safer means of carrying fuel. The Fischer-Frosch process converts coal to usable hydrocarbons, if we cannot get them from petroleum. -- Remove _'s *from email address to talk to me. |
the investment in such facillities would be way way cheaper than your
average refinery. eventually transportation will have to move away
from using non-renewable resources, so the question becomes when are
you going to start ?
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