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Re: Off to car heaven -
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"PeterD" <peter2 (AT) hipson (DOT) net> wrote in message First it is important to differentiate between the H1 (the original Hummer) and GM's abortions that came after (H2 and H3). Many (not all, but most) H1 owners go off-road. I do, and many of my friends with them do as well. H2 and H3 owners pride themselves in their parking lot and soccer field parking lot adventures! As for 'ugly', I can assure you that many girls (attractive ones, at that) seem to not notice when they ask for a ride. Try that in your Pontiac! GM totally fucked up the Hummer name, never ever understood what Hummer was, Exactly. Too many think the GM Hummer is the real deal, thus the "Sissy Hummer" name I give it. The H-1 is a great off road machine. The H-2 and H-3 are for people with a lot of money and want to buy macho. |
your point.
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Even at 22% share in 2008, GM sold MORE vehicles than it did when it had 50% of the market when there were far fewer bands and fewer vehicles sold. |
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"Dave U. Random" <anonymous (AT) anonymitaet-im-inter (DOT) net> wrote in message news:4855a8390ab7ae69f61878a7e4e0ed94 (AT) anonymitaet-im-inter (DOT) net... Moneyblog http://is.gd/jYqP Say goodbye to Saturn. And Saab and Hummer, for that matter. Pontiac, too, for all intents and purposes. GM was the largest U.S. corporation by revenue as recently as 2000. GM held 50% or more new-car sales for decades, peaking at 55% in 1956. In 2008, that figure fell to less than 22%. |
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"DervMan" <thedervman (AT) gmail (DOT) com> gurgled happily, sounding much like they were saying: "Eeyore" <rabbitsfriendsandrelations (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote in message news:49A092B2.7E8233F0 (AT) hotmail (DOT) com... When will the Americans ever learn ? You don't appear to understand the American market... adds to long list Let's hope Investor AB will take a bigger interest, or even Scania step in ? Scania's hardly likely to step in, since they're largely owned by VW - and in the financial shit themselves. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/7867779.stm |
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Adrian wrote: "DervMan" <thedervman (AT) gmail (DOT) com> gurgled happily, sounding much like they were saying: "Eeyore" <rabbitsfriendsandrelations (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote in message news:49A092B2.7E8233F0 (AT) hotmail (DOT) com... When will the Americans ever learn ? You don't appear to understand the American market... adds to long list Let's hope Investor AB will take a bigger interest, or even Scania step in ? Scania's hardly likely to step in, since they're largely owned by VW - and in the financial shit themselves. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/7867779.stm Has VW really been taken over by Porsche? Was that Jan 2009? Charles |
it's gone through.
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Has VW really been taken over by Porsche? Was that Jan 2009? |
autumn to 40+% with a stack of options - which caused significant
amusement at the expense of the hedge funds...
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/7697082.stm
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I don't know where 'ol Ed goes to see/get Hummers, but he claims to know the penis size of every Hummer driver out there. I wonder if his wife knows what he's up to when she's not around. |
them. I think
it gives them a sense of safety.
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Ed Pawlowski wrote: "PeterD" <peter2 (AT) hipson (DOT) net> wrote in message First it is important to differentiate between the H1 (the original Hummer) and GM's abortions that came after (H2 and H3). Many (not all, but most) H1 owners go off-road. I do, and many of my friends with them do as well. H2 and H3 owners pride themselves in their parking lot and soccer field parking lot adventures! As for 'ugly', I can assure you that many girls (attractive ones, at that) seem to not notice when they ask for a ride. Try that in your Pontiac! GM totally fucked up the Hummer name, never ever understood what Hummer was, Exactly. Too many think the GM Hummer is the real deal, thus the "Sissy Hummer" name I give it. The H-1 is a great off road machine. The H-2 and H-3 are for people with a lot of money and want to buy macho. Meh... do a lot of H1 owners really go off road? But I do agree with your point. nate |
moderate, doing things one would not be able to do in any other stock
vehicle, but not really insane things. I've watched friends climb
almost verticle 6' rock formations successfully.
If you were to want to go off-road in a Hummer H1, let me know (on
this group, no email...) and we'll set something up. We go out several
times a year at least.
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On Sun, 22 Feb 2009 12:58:58 -0000, "DervMan" <thedervman (AT) gmail (DOT) com wrote: "Eeyore" <rabbitsfriendsandrelations (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote in message news:49A092B2.7E8233F0 (AT) hotmail (DOT) com... "Dave U. Random" wrote: Moneyblog http://is.gd/jYqP Say goodbye to Saturn. And Saab and Hummer, for that matter. Pontiac, too, for all intents and purposes. Curious that they should wish to rid themselves of 2 of their most promising (and best styled IMHO ) lines ( Hummer excluded ). When will the Americans ever learn ? You don't appear to understand the American market... It's not American's, per se. It's GM. Most Americans have a clue about cars, after many years of ignorance for most of them. Slowly they got a clue. That's why the "big three" are now going down the tubes. |
buy American. The numbers are declining, but are still there. Saturns and
Saabs are not American enough to appeal to this group. They're also not
European enough to appeal to those drivers who want something European
(typically meaning BMW or VAG stuff as Mercedes seems to have always been
its own appeal). Then there's the growing numbers who buy Japanese because
"it works."
The same thing sort of happened in the UK; when the population realised that
most of the home-built cars really were not put together properly and really
did apart after four years but the European / Japanese stuff was still
working, trends changed. Many Rovers were considered to be good cars in
their day, usually had design faults or characteristics, but weren't so
"meh" to drive as something Japanese nor as expensive as something European.
Ahhh I remember the import restrictions on Japanese cars in the early
1980s...
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"me" <noemail (AT) nothere (DOT) com> wrote in message news:dpv3q4d0nft7ltv5712d5ftch68sok6cu7 (AT) 4ax (DOT) com... On Sun, 22 Feb 2009 12:58:58 -0000, "DervMan" <thedervman (AT) gmail (DOT) com wrote: "Eeyore" <rabbitsfriendsandrelations (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote in message news:49A092B2.7E8233F0 (AT) hotmail (DOT) com... "Dave U. Random" wrote: Moneyblog http://is.gd/jYqP Say goodbye to Saturn. And Saab and Hummer, for that matter. Pontiac, too, for all intents and purposes. Curious that they should wish to rid themselves of 2 of their most promising (and best styled IMHO ) lines ( Hummer excluded ). When will the Americans ever learn ? You don't appear to understand the American market... It's not American's, per se. It's GM. Most Americans have a clue about cars, after many years of ignorance for most of them. Slowly they got a clue. That's why the "big three" are now going down the tubes. You're right. There's a significant number of the population that will only buy American. The numbers are declining, but are still there. Saturns and Saabs are not American enough to appeal to this group. They're also not European enough to appeal to those drivers who want something European (typically meaning BMW or VAG stuff as Mercedes seems to have always been its own appeal). Then there's the growing numbers who buy Japanese because "it works." The same thing sort of happened in the UK; when the population realised that most of the home-built cars really were not put together properly and really did apart after four years but the European / Japanese stuff was still working, trends changed. Many Rovers were considered to be good cars in their day, usually had design faults or characteristics, but weren't so "meh" to drive as something Japanese nor as expensive as something European. Ahhh I remember the import restrictions on Japanese cars in the early 1980s... |
know (import quotas), and they whey the Japanese bypassed that was to
set up factories within the EU. Imported cars are still subject to quotas.
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You're right. There's a significant number of the population that will only buy American. |
only buy American. Never has been - at least not for the past 30 years.
There have been buy American campaigns, but outside of those groups that
fostered those campaigns, there has never really been a successful movement
to do so. There certainly is not now.
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The numbers are declining, but are still there. Saturns and Saabs are not American enough to appeal to this group. |
own reputation is what hurt Saturn. Saab is not an American car regardless
who owns it. Saab has though, held quite steadily to it's market segment.
It never did develop a large market segment, but not because it wasn't
American enough.
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They're also not European enough to appeal to those drivers who want something European (typically meaning BMW or VAG stuff as Mercedes seems to have always been its own appeal). Then there's the growing numbers who buy Japanese because "it works." |
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