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04 Outback 2.5 engine Oil problem
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Re: 04 Outback 2.5 engine Oil problem -
08-03-2004
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I have bought a new Outback 2.5 Premium and have done only 8,000kms. I checked the oil and found NOTHING on the dipstick. I took it in to Subaru Doncaster on Monday morning and they told me "We have been having problems with the new engines." And that "I was lucky that I checked it." They put 2.5 litres of oil in to fill it, it only holds just under 5. The "Official" first service isn't until 12,500kms, and I was supposed to be told that I should keep an eye on the oil level when I bought it. The oil light never came on. While I was there, they told me that they have a Liberty 2.5 that was brought in for a rattle in the exhaust. The truth is that the engine is stuffed. It ran out of oil. Has anybody else come across this, and what should I do? Mark. |
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Tony Hwang wrote: Can't believe it! Tony, Did you read the part where he went 8,000 kms WITHOUT checking his oil? Subaru (or any other auto mfr) can't hold the owners' hands--they're responsible for routine maintenance, which includes checking oil. Had he gone on and blown an engine, how far do you think he'd have gotten with a warranty claim? Rick Hi, |
my family in daily use. None use that much oil when new or old.
Currently two Subaru are in the family fleet.
Did he check oil on level ground after engine is cooled down?
If nothing registered on the dip stick, the engine must have been sezied
or on the verge of it. Been driving 50 years of all kinds of vehicles.
Only time I got oil related problem was when I had a hole punched by a
rock on oil pan. Still managed to stop the car and prevented the engine
damage.
Tony
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What kind of car is using so much oil after 8K Km? I have 5 vehicles in my family in daily use. None use that much oil when new or old. |
engine never uses any oil." Every engine's different, and while many
will argue, 2.5l in 8k kms on a new engine's NOT a lot of oil. If you do
a bit of research, I believe you'll find that few, if any, manufacturers
consider oil consumption of less than 1 qt/1000 miles to be excessive.
(Just for comparison, I don't know what their current standards are, but
for years VW and Porsche actually considered up to 1 qt/450 miles to be
"normal"--and this in their water-cooled engines, not the "looser"
air-cooled units!) I don't know why the OP's engine used as much as it
seemingly did (considering ~most~ of today's engines do use very little)
but it doesn't matter. Failure to check the oil per the book (at every
fillup, each week, whatever is recommended) and top up as required
constitutes neglect/abuse on the part of the owner. Period.
I'm NOT saying there might not be something wrong with his engine. But
how's he gonna document and prove it with such sloppy attention to
detail? I don't see that he's made much of a case for himself so far...
Rick
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Tony Hwang wrote: What kind of car is using so much oil after 8K Km? I have 5 vehicles in my family in daily use. None use that much oil when new or old. As I said in my original post, let's not waste bandwidth with "my ____ engine never uses any oil." Every engine's different, and while many will argue, 2.5l in 8k kms on a new engine's NOT a lot of oil. If you do a bit of research, I believe you'll find that few, if any, manufacturers consider oil consumption of less than 1 qt/1000 miles to be excessive. (Just for comparison, I don't know what their current standards are, but for years VW and Porsche actually considered up to 1 qt/450 miles to be "normal"--and this in their water-cooled engines, not the "looser" air-cooled units!) I don't know why the OP's engine used as much as it seemingly did (considering ~most~ of today's engines do use very little) but it doesn't matter. Failure to check the oil per the book (at every fillup, each week, whatever is recommended) and top up as required constitutes neglect/abuse on the part of the owner. Period. I'm NOT saying there might not be something wrong with his engine. But how's he gonna document and prove it with such sloppy attention to detail? I don't see that he's made much of a case for himself so far... Rick |
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My 2000 2.5L engine used about 1/2 quart before the recommended 3,000 miles oil change. I checked it every gas tank fill up though. 8,000 Km = ~ 5,000 miles so I guess you were not to interested in your vehicle. |
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"Woody" <ars1 (AT) ttlc (DOT) net> wrote in message Our new '04 Forester XS has used so little oil in the 1st 2,200 miles that it is not discernable on the dip stick. Our old '98 Forester with 120,000 miles on it used a quart in about 5,000 miles. With the global price of crude oil so high, maybe there are midnight oil thieves operating in your area. Woody; 95FXDS |
I fail to see how your comment about not being interested in our
vehicle has any relation to my post or to reality. I don't have any
problem with our vehicle and we check our fluids on a regular basis.
Maybe you were not paying any attention to whose post you were
replying to seeing that you were also careless enough to "top post".
Woody; 95FXDS
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Rick, I agree, I should have checked things more often. It's easy to build up km's though, as I travel about 300-500km per weekend. The km's have been harder than usual because I tow motorbikes out the bush to go riding. I originally posted to find out if anybody else had similar findings and to warn others of possible problems, so they wouldn't make the same mistake I did. I've spoken to Subaru here is Australia and to my surprise they have replaced multiple engines under warranty because of this issue. The pamphlet I spoke of, in the first line actually says "Refinement of modern engines can lead people into a false sense of security that fluid levels, particularly oil, do not need checking. In fact they do." This is where I got caught. I was of the assumption that if serviced at the required intervals I shouldn't have a problem. Further to that I found that the current oil light/pressure sensor only comes on if there is 0.5ltrs or less in the engine, and engines have blown just getting them to the service centres. Apparently here in Australia they are arguing with Japan to have oil level sensors installed. To stop this problem, and to give people earlier warning if something does go wrong. Mark "Rick Courtright" <rcourtright (AT) iname (DOT) com> wrote in message news:411083A3.48BB9C38 (AT) iname (DOT) com... Tony Hwang wrote: What kind of car is using so much oil after 8K Km? I have 5 vehicles in my family in daily use. None use that much oil when new or old. As I said in my original post, let's not waste bandwidth with "my ____ engine never uses any oil." Every engine's different, and while many will argue, 2.5l in 8k kms on a new engine's NOT a lot of oil. If you do a bit of research, I believe you'll find that few, if any, manufacturers consider oil consumption of less than 1 qt/1000 miles to be excessive. (Just for comparison, I don't know what their current standards are, but for years VW and Porsche actually considered up to 1 qt/450 miles to be "normal"--and this in their water-cooled engines, not the "looser" air-cooled units!) I don't know why the OP's engine used as much as it seemingly did (considering ~most~ of today's engines do use very little) but it doesn't matter. Failure to check the oil per the book (at every fillup, each week, whatever is recommended) and top up as required constitutes neglect/abuse on the part of the owner. Period. I'm NOT saying there might not be something wrong with his engine. But how's he gonna document and prove it with such sloppy attention to detail? I don't see that he's made much of a case for himself so far... Rick |
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Here in the UK, you can now fail your driving test for not knowing how to check your oil level. http://www.theaa.com/aboutaa/feature..._sept2003.html "Wilo" <wilo555 (AT) optushome (DOT) com.au> wrote in message news:4110b1b8$0$18191$afc38c87 (AT) news (DOT) optusnet.com.au... Rick, I agree, I should have checked things more often. It's easy to build up km's though, as I travel about 300-500km per weekend. The km's have been harder than usual because I tow motorbikes out the bush to go riding. I originally posted to find out if anybody else had similar findings and to warn others of possible problems, so they wouldn't make the same mistake I did. I've spoken to Subaru here is Australia and to my surprise they have replaced multiple engines under warranty because of this issue. The pamphlet I spoke of, in the first line actually says "Refinement of modern engines can lead people into a false sense of security that fluid levels, particularly oil, do not need checking. In fact they do." This is where I got caught. I was of the assumption that if serviced at the required intervals I shouldn't have a problem. Further to that I found that the current oil light/pressure sensor only comes on if there is 0.5ltrs or less in the engine, and engines have blown just getting them to the service centres. Apparently here in Australia they are arguing with Japan to have oil level sensors installed. To stop this problem, and to give people earlier warning if something does go wrong. Mark "Rick Courtright" <rcourtright (AT) iname (DOT) com> wrote in message news:411083A3.48BB9C38 (AT) iname (DOT) com... Tony Hwang wrote: What kind of car is using so much oil after 8K Km? I have 5 vehicles in my family in daily use. None use that much oil when new or old. As I said in my original post, let's not waste bandwidth with "my ____ engine never uses any oil." Every engine's different, and while many will argue, 2.5l in 8k kms on a new engine's NOT a lot of oil. If you do a bit of research, I believe you'll find that few, if any, manufacturers consider oil consumption of less than 1 qt/1000 miles to be excessive. (Just for comparison, I don't know what their current standards are, but for years VW and Porsche actually considered up to 1 qt/450 miles to be "normal"--and this in their water-cooled engines, not the "looser" air-cooled units!) I don't know why the OP's engine used as much as it seemingly did (considering ~most~ of today's engines do use very little) but it doesn't matter. Failure to check the oil per the book (at every fillup, each week, whatever is recommended) and top up as required constitutes neglect/abuse on the part of the owner. Period. I'm NOT saying there might not be something wrong with his engine. But how's he gonna document and prove it with such sloppy attention to detail? I don't see that he's made much of a case for himself so far... Rick Hi, |
vehicle operators. In Canada getting a driver's licence is a joke!
Tony
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I have bought a new Outback 2.5 Premium and have done only 8,000kms. I checked the oil and found NOTHING on the dipstick. I took it in to Subaru Doncaster on Monday morning and they told me "We have been having problems with the new engines." And that "I was lucky that I checked it." They put 2.5 litres of oil in to fill it, it only holds just under 5. Has anybody else come across this, and what should I do? |
What you should do is keep that service order,
that says you bought it in low, and they added
2.5 litres to bring it up to level, and never,
ever lose that piece of paper...and if they
didn't give one that says that, get one.
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