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Default 1990 Subaru Loyale Wagon Spark Problems - 03-04-2007 , 10:30 PM






Car died while driving. Power in battery, engine turns over,
alternator new, starter moving. pulled into shop and got no spark
tested ignition coils, replaced coils and high tension wire.
Still, no spark.
So no electricity going to the coils, when I get back to the car I’m
going to check and clean the connections and the wires but at a loss
really.

What to do next?
Thanks

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Default Re: 1990 Subaru Loyale Wagon Spark Problems - 03-04-2007 , 10:31 PM






I’m having the same problem with an 88 DL wagon. I’d appreciate any
help. Thanks

"eldonko" wrote:
Quote:
Car died while driving. Power in battery, engine turns over,
alternator new, starter moving. pulled into shop and got no
spark
tested ignition coils, replaced coils and high tension wire.
Still, no spark.
So no electricity going to the coils, when I get back to the
car I'm going to check and clean the connections and the wires
but at a loss really.

What to do next?
Thanks

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Default Re: 1990 Subaru Loyale Wagon Spark Problems - 03-05-2007 , 12:30 AM




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From: bkeller13 <none (AT) 000 (DOT) com
I’m having the same problem with an 88 DL wagon. I’d appreciate any
help. Thanks

"eldonko" wrote:
Car died while driving. Power in battery, engine turns over,
alternator new, starter moving. pulled into shop and got no
spark
tested ignition coils, replaced coils and high tension wire.
Still, no spark.
So no electricity going to the coils, when I get back to the
car I'm going to check and clean the connections and the wires
but at a loss really.

What to do next?
Thanks
Hey guys, you don't change the coils and then decide that since
you put new coils on and have no spark, that there is no electricity
going to the coils. Stop for a minute and think about how to
troubleshoot a problem.

Do you have current to the coils? Use a voltmetter or a 12v
troubleshooting light to find out!!! Don't replace parts as a
trouble shooting step, unless there is no other way to check
something (which happens, but not at THIS stage of troubleshooting).
Also consider that with
older Subies, you have to make sure that the "ground" part
of the circuit is getting back to the "Negative" battery post.
You can use a test light or voltmeter for this as well.

Now please get a 12v testing light or a voltmeter and try "trouble
shooting" rather than changing parts. Auto books can help if you
need more precise help on this. But learn the method, and then
you will be ready for the next electrical problem that comes along.

If there is no 12v getting to the coils, then you can use your light or
meter to start backing up the electrical wires and connectors and
ignition switch, etc. to find out where the juice stops flowing.

By the way, lots of other things are required to make spark other than
good coils and 12v going to them. A broken timing belt, for example.

The Ole Factory rep (not Subaru)






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Default Re: Re: 1990 Subaru Loyale Wagon Spark Problems - 03-05-2007 , 04:17 AM



This is classic. Problem is a broken timing belt. No spark because the
distributer is not turning.


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Default Re: 1990 Subaru Loyale Wagon Spark Problems - 03-05-2007 , 08:00 AM



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tested ignition coils, replaced coils and high tension wire.
I don't know what year Subaru finally rid their motors of the distributor
cap, but that's near enough the '89's I've owned that maybe you could pop
the distributor cap and see that everything is in place and going round
inside when you crank the starter, although "coils" plural makes me think
you're application is coil pack here.

Have you tried getting spark with known good plugs, for maybe yours are worn
and the gap is too far out of spec? Seems however odd that none at all
should spark.

What else is there?!

Should be an ignition module somewhere, if I remember correctly, that tells
the whole setup to let loose the actual spark. But I forget at the moment.
Is the ignition control module only on the coil pack variety?

How is the coil pack timed, the crank or cam sensor? Anybody? If that
fails, might not get the go ahead to spark, right?

How are you testing for spark, anyways? Maybe somebody in the group has a
different method you could use?

Any trouble codes from the computer? Might check them just in case. You
can search this newsgroup for instructions, or here's a handy site to
bookmark and reference if you seek Subaru trouble codes:

http://www.troublecodes.net/Subaru/

Just stuff I would look into, if given the same situation by my own Subie.
But as always YMMV.
~Brian

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Quote:
Car died while driving. Power in battery, engine turns over,
alternator new, starter moving. pulled into shop and got no spark
tested ignition coils, replaced coils and high tension wire.
Still, no spark.
So no electricity going to the coils, when I get back to the car I'm
going to check and clean the connections and the wires but at a loss
really.

What to do next?
Thanks

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Default Re: 1990 Subaru Loyale Wagon Spark Problems - 03-05-2007 , 09:42 AM



"strchild" <strchild (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote in
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Quote:
tested ignition coils, replaced coils and high tension wire.

I don't know what year Subaru finally rid their motors of the
distributor cap, but that's near enough the '89's I've owned that
maybe you could pop the distributor cap and see that everything is in
place and going round inside when you crank the starter, although
"coils" plural makes me think you're application is coil pack here.
The '90 Loyale used a coil/distributor setup while the '90 Legacy used the
coil pack with the crank and cam angle sensors.

Most likely failure on the Loyale is a busted timing belt. The 1.8 used in
the DL/GL/Loyale series is a non-interference engine and busting a timing
belt is no big deal. If the rotor turns when you crank the engine hook a
spark plug and cable directly to the coil tower and ground it against the
engine block. If no spark the next thing I'd check is all fuses and the
module right below the coil. Then check the ignition relay located under
the dash above the ecu on top of the steering column, next to the fuel pump
relay.

If it's actually a Legacy with the 2.2 that uses a coil pack the easiest
way to check the timing belt is to run a compression test. Then check all
fuses and relays, the crank and cam angle sensors, and the igniter pack
mounted on the center of the firewall.

Hope this helps,
Joe


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Default Re: Re: 1990 Subaru Loyale Wagon Spark Problems - 03-23-2007 , 01:25 PM



Thanks so much,

Checked it all out and it was the timing belt, a good friend and I
changed the belts, works like a charm

much thanks and respect

"Joe Kultgen" wrote:
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"strchild" <strchild (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote in
news:12uo8kj2e0tb46c (AT) news (DOT) supernews.com:

tested ignition coils, replaced coils and high tension
wire.

I don't know what year Subaru finally rid their motors of
the
distributor cap, but that's near enough the '89's I've owned
that
maybe you could pop the distributor cap and see that
everything is in
place and going round inside when you crank the starter,
although
"coils" plural makes me think you're application is coil
pack here.

The '90 Loyale used a coil/distributor setup while the '90
Legacy used the
coil pack with the crank and cam angle sensors.

Most likely failure on the Loyale is a busted timing belt.
The 1.8 used in
the DL/GL/Loyale series is a non-interference engine and
busting a timing
belt is no big deal. If the rotor turns when you crank the
engine hook a
spark plug and cable directly to the coil tower and ground it
against the
engine block. If no spark the next thing I'd check is all
fuses and the
module right below the coil. Then check the ignition relay
located under
the dash above the ecu on top of the steering column, next to
the fuel pump
relay.

If it's actually a Legacy with the 2.2 that uses a coil pack
the easiest
way to check the timing belt is to run a compression test.
Then check all
fuses and relays, the crank and cam angle sensors, and the
igniter pack
mounted on the center of the firewall.

Hope this helps,
Joe
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