Driver's Side Wind Noise + Armrest Extender for '03 OBW

#11

If you do contact the dealer, please post what they tell you, okay?

#12

They should be able to, as the TSB usually lists the standard time to charge
for the job / the time Subaru will pay the dealer if done as warranty.

Blair

"M. Baker" <thebakersmml (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote

Quote:

OH - well so much for that. The warranty is long over for me.
I wonder how much a dealer would charge me to do that, then? If I
called them and asked them for an estimate on performing that TSB,
they should be able to give me a ballpark figure, right?

On Feb 3, 6:58 pm, "Blair Baucom" <jbbau... (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote:
During the warranty period.

Blair

"M. Baker" <thebakers... (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote in message

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Thanks - I tried squeezing the triangle of plastic, and it didn't do
anything. I just have a basic wagon, so I don't think there's any
speakers in there. I might look into having a dealer look at the TSB
issue - that would be free if it was the cause, right?

On Feb 2, 10:14 pm, "Fred" <davidmru... (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote:
There is a TSB on wind noise. I replaced the gussets on my 01 Legacy
and its very quiet now.

Body - Door Mirror Wind Noise
NUMBER: 12-82-04
DATE: 04/15/04

APPLICABILITY:
20000-2004MY Legacy/Outback & Baja

SUBJECT:
Door Mirror Gusset Wind Noise

INTRODUCTION

The purpose of this bulletin is to address wind noise coming from
either the left or right mirror gussets.

PART NUMBER INFORMATION

INFORMATION

Should you encounter a customer complaint of wind noise and determine
the noise is from the door mirror gusset area, proceed as follows: You
can determine if the wind noise is coming from the gusset area by
pushing on the glass during a road test or by taping off the gusset
area.

Repair Procedure

1) With the door open, ensure the window glass is in a full-rest,
closed position. Close the door.

2) Measure the clearance between the front door glass and the door
gusset at both the inner side and outer side with a thickness gauge.
If the clearance is less than 0.2 mm the wind noise may be coming from
somewhere else. If the measurement is 0.2 mm or more, proceed to step
(3).

3) Retract the glass completely, then measure the clearance between
the left and right lips (see the picture). If the clearance is less
than 5 mm, the door gusset does not need to be replaced. Go to step
(6). If the dearance is 5 mm or more, proceed to step (4)

4) Replace it with the new style door gusset. Refer to the applicable
service manual for replacement procedures. After the installation of
the new gusset is complete, go to step (5).

Right Gusset PN 61158AE00B
Left Gusset PN 61158AE01B

5) With the new gusset installed, repeat step (1). Next, re-measure
the clearance between the door gusset and the door glass with a
thickness gauge. If there is no clearance at both inner side and outer
side, no further action is required. However, if there is a clearance
at either the inner side or outer side, proceed with the following.

6) With the door panel removed, turn the adjuster bolt for the door
gusset to tilt the door gusset toward the smaller clearance.

Note :When tilting the door gusset to the outer side, turn the
adjuster bolt clockwise. When tilting it to the inner side, turn the
adjuster bolt counter-clockwise. The adjuster bolt has a screw lock on
the threads. If it is difficult to turn, remove the gusset and turn it
while holding the head with pliers.

For vehicles within the Basic New Car Warranty period, refer to the
Warranty Labor Time Guide for claim information.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

#13

Thanks - I'm contacting the dealer now and will post what they come
back with.

What is the difference between a TSB and a Recall? Because recalls
repairs are no-cost to the car owner, even if it's past the warranty
period, right? Just wondered...

#14

You are correct.

Recalls involve a know safety problem that the NHTSA has issued a recall on
for the problem to be repaired by the manufacturer.

Technical Service Bulletins are sent to the dealer when a common problem has
been reported and aids the dealers in repairing the problem in a more timely
matter.

This site has listings for both:

http://www-odi.nhtsa.dot.gov/cars/problems/recalls/

Blair

"M. Baker" <thebakersmml (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote

Quote:

Thanks - I'm contacting the dealer now and will post what they come
back with.

What is the difference between a TSB and a Recall? Because recalls
repairs are no-cost to the car owner, even if it's past the warranty
period, right? Just wondered...

#15

M. Baker wrote:

Quote:

OH - well so much for that. The warranty is long over for me.
I wonder how much a dealer would charge me to do that, then? If I
called them and asked them for an estimate on performing that TSB,
they should be able to give me a ballpark figure, right?

On Feb 3, 6:58 pm, "Blair Baucom" <jbbau... (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote:

During the warranty period.

Blair

"M. Baker" <thebakers... (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote in message

news:1170539440.768036.299850 (AT) a34g2000cwb (DOT) googlegroups.com...

Thanks - I tried squeezing the triangle of plastic, and it didn't do
anything. I just have a basic wagon, so I don't think there's any
speakers in there. I might look into having a dealer look at the TSB
issue - that would be free if it was the cause, right?

On Feb 2, 10:14 pm, "Fred" <davidmru... (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote:

There is a TSB on wind noise. I replaced the gussets on my 01 Legacy
and its very quiet now.

Body - Door Mirror Wind Noise
NUMBER: 12-82-04
DATE: 04/15/04

APPLICABILITY:
20000-2004MY Legacy/Outback & Baja

SUBJECT:
Door Mirror Gusset Wind Noise

INTRODUCTION

The purpose of this bulletin is to address wind noise coming from
either the left or right mirror gussets.

PART NUMBER INFORMATION

INFORMATION

Should you encounter a customer complaint of wind noise and determine
the noise is from the door mirror gusset area, proceed as follows: You
can determine if the wind noise is coming from the gusset area by
pushing on the glass during a road test or by taping off the gusset
area.

Repair Procedure

1) With the door open, ensure the window glass is in a full-rest,
closed position. Close the door.

2) Measure the clearance between the front door glass and the door
gusset at both the inner side and outer side with a thickness gauge.
If the clearance is less than 0.2 mm the wind noise may be coming from
somewhere else. If the measurement is 0.2 mm or more, proceed to step
(3).

3) Retract the glass completely, then measure the clearance between
the left and right lips (see the picture). If the clearance is less
than 5 mm, the door gusset does not need to be replaced. Go to step
(6). If the dearance is 5 mm or more, proceed to step (4)

4) Replace it with the new style door gusset. Refer to the applicable
service manual for replacement procedures. After the installation of
the new gusset is complete, go to step (5).

Right Gusset PN 61158AE00B
Left Gusset PN 61158AE01B

5) With the new gusset installed, repeat step (1). Next, re-measure
the clearance between the door gusset and the door glass with a
thickness gauge. If there is no clearance at both inner side and outer
side, no further action is required. However, if there is a clearance
at either the inner side or outer side, proceed with the following.

6) With the door panel removed, turn the adjuster bolt for the door
gusset to tilt the door gusset toward the smaller clearance.

Note :When tilting the door gusset to the outer side, turn the
adjuster bolt clockwise. When tilting it to the inner side, turn the
adjuster bolt counter-clockwise. The adjuster bolt has a screw lock on
the threads. If it is difficult to turn, remove the gusset and turn it
while holding the head with pliers.

For vehicles within the Basic New Car Warranty period, refer to the
Warranty Labor Time Guide for claim information.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Have u tried lowering the window and squishing the rubber together? If

you do that and train youself to NOT close the door pushing on the
glass, the fix lasts a long time - at least it does on my wife's Outback.

Carl

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#16

Yes, a picture would be great. Not sure what rubber needs to be
squished? It seems more like a tension issue between the glass and
the rubber, to me. If the glass fit more snugly to the rubber, it
would seem the noise would stop.

Dan Langille wrote:

Quote:

On Mon, 12 Feb 2007 21:26:44 -0600, Carl 1 Lucky Texan
alckytxn (AT) swbell (DOT) not> wrote:

Have u tried lowering the window and squishing the rubber together? If
you do that and train youself to NOT close the door pushing on the
glass, the fix lasts a long time - at least it does on my wife's Outback.

A picture would help. If someone can post a picture showing what is being
squeezed and how, it would benefit many.
--
Dan Langille
PGCON -The PostgresSQL Conference
http://www.pgcon.org/

#17

M. Baker wrote:

Quote:

Yes, a picture would be great. Not sure what rubber needs to be
squished? It seems more like a tension issue between the glass and
the rubber, to me. If the glass fit more snugly to the rubber, it
would seem the noise would stop.

Dan Langille wrote:

On Mon, 12 Feb 2007 21:26:44 -0600, Carl 1 Lucky Texan
alckytxn (AT) swbell (DOT) not> wrote:

Have u tried lowering the window and squishing the rubber together? If
you do that and train youself to NOT close the door pushing on the
glass, the fix lasts a long time - at least it does on my wife's Outback.

A picture would help. If someone can post a picture showing what is being
squeezed and how, it would benefit many.
--
Dan Langille
PGCON -The PostgresSQL Conference
http://www.pgcon.org/

The black, triangular object to which the outside mirror is attached
that is on the forward part of the door;
http://www.burnleycaraudio.co.uk/upl...WR1%20Door.jpg

or

http://tinyurl.com/2bd3nk

has some rubber 'lips' on its rear openeing in which the glass slides.
Those lips can be pushed together by exerting an inward force on the
mirror and an outward force on the inside (or tweeter area if so
equipped) of the triangle. Even though the sound often appears to come
from higher up and more rearward (to me anyway) this action really does
help.
Other folks have found that useing pieces of masking tape on the mirror
mount, wiper arm, winshield gasket, etc. has helped them find noise
generators. If youe winshield or wipers have been replaced, that can
create noise. Also, on wagons, sometimes the crossbars can be noisy if
in the wrong position or installed backwards.

Carl

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#18

Oh - I already tried that and it didn't make any difference in the
wind noise. And I don't have crossbars up top.

On Feb 13, 5:26 pm, Carl 1 Lucky Texan <alcky... (AT) swbell (DOT) not> wrote:

Quote:

M. Baker wrote:
Yes, a picture would be great. Not sure what rubber needs to be
squished? It seems more like a tension issue between the glass and
the rubber, to me. If the glass fit more snugly to the rubber, it
would seem the noise would stop.

Dan Langille wrote:

On Mon, 12 Feb 2007 21:26:44 -0600, Carl 1 Lucky Texan
alcky... (AT) swbell (DOT) not> wrote:

Have u tried lowering the window and squishing the rubber together? If
you do that and train youself to NOT close the door pushing on the
glass, the fix lasts a long time - at least it does on my wife's Outback.

A picture would help. If someone can post a picture showing what is being
squeezed and how, it would benefit many.
--
Dan Langille
PGCON -The PostgresSQL Conference
http://www.pgcon.org/

The black, triangular object to which the outside mirror is attached
that is on the forward part of the door;http://www.burnleycaraudio.co.uk/upl...WR1%20Door.jpg

or

http://tinyurl.com/2bd3nk

has some rubber 'lips' on its rear openeing in which the glass slides.
Those lips can be pushed together by exerting an inward force on the
mirror and an outward force on the inside (or tweeter area if so
equipped) of the triangle. Even though the sound often appears to come
from higher up and more rearward (to me anyway) this action really does
help.
Other folks have found that useing pieces of masking tape on the mirror
mount, wiper arm, winshield gasket, etc. has helped them find noise
generators. If youe winshield or wipers have been replaced, that can
create noise. Also, on wagons, sometimes the crossbars can be noisy if
in the wrong position or installed backwards.

Carl

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#19

M. Baker wrote:

Quote:

Oh - I already tried that and it didn't make any difference in the
wind noise. And I don't have crossbars up top.

On Feb 13, 5:26 pm, Carl 1 Lucky Texan <alcky... (AT) swbell (DOT) not> wrote:

M. Baker wrote:

Yes, a picture would be great. Not sure what rubber needs to be
squished? It seems more like a tension issue between the glass and
the rubber, to me. If the glass fit more snugly to the rubber, it
would seem the noise would stop.

Dan Langille wrote:

On Mon, 12 Feb 2007 21:26:44 -0600, Carl 1 Lucky Texan
alcky... (AT) swbell (DOT) not> wrote:

Have u tried lowering the window and squishing the rubber together? If
you do that and train youself to NOT close the door pushing on the
glass, the fix lasts a long time - at least it does on my wife's Outback.

A picture would help. If someone can post a picture showing what is being
squeezed and how, it would benefit many.
--
Dan Langille
PGCON -The PostgresSQL Conference
http://www.pgcon.org/

The black, triangular object to which the outside mirror is attached
that is on the forward part of the door;http://www.burnleycaraudio.co.uk/upl...WR1%20Door.jpg

or

http://tinyurl.com/2bd3nk

has some rubber 'lips' on its rear openeing in which the glass slides.
Those lips can be pushed together by exerting an inward force on the
mirror and an outward force on the inside (or tweeter area if so
equipped) of the triangle. Even though the sound often appears to come
from higher up and more rearward (to me anyway) this action really does
help.
Other folks have found that useing pieces of masking tape on the mirror
mount, wiper arm, winshield gasket, etc. has helped them find noise
generators. If youe winshield or wipers have been replaced, that can
create noise. Also, on wagons, sometimes the crossbars can be noisy if
in the wrong position or installed backwards.

Carl

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Then I would try some tape in that area. If it helps, probably need

the 'new' part as outlined in the TSB. If not, the problem is elsewhere
and the 'new' part would be a waste of money.

Carl

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#20

Welcome to the absurd stupidity of the Subaru noisy windows. Years and
years of making these cars and they could not get it right.

The post has become too long so I did not read it. Sorry if i am
repeating someone else.

I am going to tell you what worked for me: The glass in the front doors
of your car have something like 6 adjustments. These control the
position of the glass in the door(in or out), the angle with which it
comes out of the door, the position front/aft and also its inclination
(forward/rearward).

Sooo, I looked at the other side door as to get an idea of what I wanted
to achieve and then adjusted the noisy door to look just like the quiet
one. It did work. If you provide me with an email address I will
forward you the section of the catalog that deals with the adjustments.

Hope this helps.

AS

M. Baker wrote:

Quote:

Oh - I already tried that and it didn't make any difference in the
wind noise. And I don't have crossbars up top.

On Feb 13, 5:26 pm, Carl 1 Lucky Texan <alcky... (AT) swbell (DOT) not> wrote:

M. Baker wrote:

Yes, a picture would be great. Not sure what rubber needs to be
squished? It seems more like a tension issue between the glass and
the rubber, to me. If the glass fit more snugly to the rubber, it
would seem the noise would stop.

Dan Langille wrote:

On Mon, 12 Feb 2007 21:26:44 -0600, Carl 1 Lucky Texan
alcky... (AT) swbell (DOT) not> wrote:

Have u tried lowering the window and squishing the rubber together? If
you do that and train youself to NOT close the door pushing on the
glass, the fix lasts a long time - at least it does on my wife's Outback.

A picture would help. If someone can post a picture showing what is being
squeezed and how, it would benefit many.
--
Dan Langille
PGCON -The PostgresSQL Conference
http://www.pgcon.org/

The black, triangular object to which the outside mirror is attached
that is on the forward part of the door;http://www.burnleycaraudio.co.uk/upl...WR1%20Door.jpg

or

http://tinyurl.com/2bd3nk

has some rubber 'lips' on its rear openeing in which the glass slides.
Those lips can be pushed together by exerting an inward force on the
mirror and an outward force on the inside (or tweeter area if so
equipped) of the triangle. Even though the sound often appears to come
from higher up and more rearward (to me anyway) this action really does
help.
Other folks have found that useing pieces of masking tape on the mirror
mount, wiper arm, winshield gasket, etc. has helped them find noise
generators. If youe winshield or wipers have been replaced, that can
create noise. Also, on wagons, sometimes the crossbars can be noisy if
in the wrong position or installed backwards.

Carl

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