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Re: manual or automatic? -
07-28-2005
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The difference on a Rex is between 25.000 and 65,000 miles. Don't know anybody who has got much more than 65 out of a clutch. The point is - and I've made this before - that a powerful awd car can't dissipate excess power at launch as wheelspin, therefore it has to slip the clutch. Also, powerful awd drive cars put a trememdous load on their transmission and there has to be a weak link somewhere. Much cheaper and simpler to change a clutch than to change a gearbox <g>. Simply regard it as a consumable - like tyres and brakes. |
preposterous theory. I drive a 98 Audi A4 2.8 quattro car, and I've
got 90k miles on the original clutch, even with heavy driving and
extensive use of the car's excellent power. I have no intention of
trashing my clutch, and I drive properly. These good cars are
engineered well all over, and the only thing that should go before 65k
miles are brake pads, a true wear item. Our 99 Subaru Legacy Outback
did get a new clutch at 79k miles only because we bought the car used
at 66k miles, and the previous owner drove probably like you do.
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On Wed, 27 Jul 2005 12:53:18 -0400, "grape" <j@s> wrote: plan to own a impreza 2.5rs wagon, never drove a manual before, but 'd like to. Friends who owned a manual car warned me that in daily commutes, your leg will be extremely painful if got jammed in traffic... that hesitated me to buy a manual car, is that true??? No. Anyone who gets leg pain from using a clutch is desperately unfit. Anybody with normal levels of fitness, ie capable of walking a few miles, will have no problems. |
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The difference on a Rex is between 25.000 and 65,000 miles. Don't know anybody who has got much more than 65 out of a clutch. |
then I have owned only one car with an automatic transmission.
In all those cars, I have replaced one clutch.
My current 92 525i BMW has 105,000 miles and the original clutch.
Gunny
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In article <mivge1tht74djsn0bfdgksmv7m83uvkef8 (AT) 4ax (DOT) com>, David Betts <dabetts (AT) ntlworld (DOT) com> wrote: The difference on a Rex is between 25.000 and 65,000 miles. Don't know anybody who has got much more than 65 out of a clutch. Gimme a break, please. I am 66. Got my first car in 1965 and since then I have owned only one car with an automatic transmission. In all those cars, I have replaced one clutch. My current 92 525i BMW has 105,000 miles and the original clutch. |
I have an automatic Subaru :-( but all previous cars and motorcycles
have been manual. I replaced the clutch in my last car, a 2.0l Toyota
Corona liftback, at just over 200,000 km (125,000 miles), but only
because it was already being opened up in that area due to a warranty
gear box recondition (I got a 3 year mechanical warranty with it when I
bought the car at 160,000 km) so all I had to pay for was the parts.
the mechanic said the clutch looked to have at least another couple of
years wear in it bu I figured it was better to not use the entire clutch
plate than to have to pay to open it all up again later.
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On Thu, 28 Jul 2005 06:50:07 GMT, David Betts <dabetts (AT) ntlworld (DOT) com wrote: On Wed, 27 Jul 2005 12:53:18 -0400, "grape" <j@s> wrote: plan to own a impreza 2.5rs wagon, never drove a manual before, but 'd like to. Friends who owned a manual car warned me that in daily commutes, your leg will be extremely painful if got jammed in traffic... that hesitated me to buy a manual car, is that true??? No. Anyone who gets leg pain from using a clutch is desperately unfit. Anybody with normal levels of fitness, ie capable of walking a few miles, will have no problems. This, I agree with. |
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i have a friend who was still driving is 1993 AUDI with 320,000 km on the original clutch..... car, quality driver. make a big difference |
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i have a friend who was still driving is 1993 AUDI with 320,000 km on the original clutch..... car, quality driver. make a big difference |
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So you feel Subaru aint high quality due to HG and bearing problems? |
I think you misdirected your question to someone else.
Yes, I really do think the bearings problem (Impreza's),
and particularly the head gasket issue (2.5L engine) are
signs of an engineering quality problem.
If it were Hyundai's gaskets failing so frequently and Hyundai's
bearings falling apart you wouldn't probably hesitate to call it
a quality problem.
Why not call things by their name in case of Subaru?
MN
ps. with respect to the clutches issue i.e. some people
quoting very long lifespan on non-AWD cars; David Betts
mentioned specifically AWD as having a life shortening
effect (and in high powered vehicles -WRX's, etc.), and that
is absolutely true, unless you decide to drive a sporty car in
a grandfatherly fashion, so to speak.
Quote:
I am kinda scared run off for a Toyota  "Patrick" <patrick (AT) leclone (DOT) com> wrote in message news:XYOdnVj8xoOLJXTfRVn-pQ (AT) b2b2c (DOT) ca... i have a friend who was still driving is 1993 AUDI with 320,000 km on the original clutch..... car, quality driver. make a big difference |
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In article <gunni-F9B49E.22165028072005 (AT) news1 (DOT) east.earthlink.net>, "R. Gerard" <gunni (AT) mailinator (DOT) com> wrote: In article <mivge1tht74djsn0bfdgksmv7m83uvkef8 (AT) 4ax (DOT) com>, David Betts <dabetts (AT) ntlworld (DOT) com> wrote: The difference on a Rex is between 25.000 and 65,000 miles. Don't know anybody who has got much more than 65 out of a clutch. Gimme a break, please. I am 66. Got my first car in 1965 and since then I have owned only one car with an automatic transmission. In all those cars, I have replaced one clutch. My current 92 525i BMW has 105,000 miles and the original clutch. Indeed. I have an automatic Subaru :-( but all previous cars and motorcycles have been manual. I replaced the clutch in my last car, a 2.0l Toyota Corona liftback, at just over 200,000 km (125,000 miles)...etc |
rocket ship. It is in a totally different league to the cars you are
talking about. These cars are designed to use up their clutches. All
I'm saying is that purchasers should get used to the idea or buy
something else.
David Betts
davidb (AT) motorsport (DOT) org.uk
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"David Betts" <dabetts (AT) ntlworld (DOT) com> wrote in message news:3tvge1tlvqbu035hknaaheon70dq9n3gmf (AT) 4ax (DOT) com... On Wed, 27 Jul 2005 20:47:59 -0400, "grape" <j@s> wrote: Used Subarus are also a bit risky due to the problems they had with clutches, head gaskets and piston slap. New models are supposted to be better (I'm counting on it). err.... so it's risky to own a Sub in general? I've heard a blowing headgasket is expensive. Ignore the trolls. Subarus are amongst the best built, best engineered most reliable cars in the world. Plenty of evidence in the customer satisfaction surveys. Trolls aside, but are you suggesting that Subaru has not had some fairly serious quality problems in recent years? Are you blind perhaps? |
twhiners and whingers who infest this newsgroup. They are a tiny
minority in relations to the vast majority of satisfied Subaru owners
throughout the world.
David Betts
davidb (AT) motorsport (DOT) org.uk
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