Bonehenge wrote:
a) I've seen a couple places sell all the required ingredients in a
bundle.
b) OEMs don't use it because it contains products from 3 completely
different companies, making it more troublesome and expensive for them
to setup contracts, supply relations...etc. Not to mention that it's
more expensive.

Subaru is typically a good OEM, and much of their factory stuff offers
awesome performance. HOWEVER, there are some things on Subaru's out of
the factory that are just not that great... For example, would you buy
the factory RE92's for your Subaru when you need new tires :-D?

Dmitriy wrote:

Hi,

Marketing dept guys who are religious get up every morning and thank
their respective deities for people who think like that... all the
factory and/or oil company chemists have to do is go buy a few bottles
of "XYZ SuperLube" and play with it a while to get "close enough" to
make their own. And probably still be on time for lunch.

Read Bonehenge's reply again...

Rick

Bradley Walker wrote:

What, no Marvel Mystery Oil? Any country boy
knows ya can't have special sauce without Marvel
Mystery Oil (:

Dmitriy wrote:

Hi,

Please pardon me if I don't immediately jump on the bandwagon after
reading your "universe of one" test results. However, I AM glad you
haven't dropped the gearbox right out of your car while you "beat the
crap out of it." I'm certain this mystery man "Uncle Scotty" and his
"cocktail" are the saving grace there. Too bad it can't be proven from
your results.

Get back to me when you understand the point I was making.

Rick

Sure do, it's an `01 OBW Ltd Ed. We are a Subaru family for the most part
with everyone getting one at some point in their life. I just tend to be
the most knowledgeable about them family wise and stick to asking all the
questions.


"Bonehenge" <DwightSchrute (AT) DunderMifflin (DOT) com> wrote

Rick Courtright wrote:
In all fairness, 'Uncle Scotty' is a very knowledgable, and evidently
experienced, 'character' who posts regularly at NASIOC. While he
frequently comes off as a curmudgeon, I suspect his 'cocktail' is not
particularly 'bad'. Of course, your sensible to promote caution - since
ther is no testing as to whether one component's additives may be
antagonistic to additives in the other componenent's, though it's hard
to see how the mix could be horrible. personally, I would only try it
AFTER trying Redline or Royal Purple or other quality name brands for
hundreds - if not several thousand - miles first. A lot of folks with
the pre-06 trannies have reported good results with Redline 75-90NS
after a few thousand miles.

whatever

Carl


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Rick Courtright wrote:
Reading comprehension > you.

The point I was making is NOT that the cocktail makes your transmission
indestructible. It was simply to state that it makes your transmission
'feel' better while still offering good protection (the autocrossing
experience mentioned to say that I'm not so gentle on the trans that it
would be fine with orange juice in it).

Like I said... I base my opinion of the cocktail not only on my own
results, but also on all the positive results other people in the
Subaru community have reported, and the complete lack of negative
results. Like Bradley said... Uncle Scotty is very knowledgeble, but he
is a bit of an a-hole, so there are many people out there (me included)
who would love to prove that his cocktail is bad for the transmission.

I honestly don't want you to jump on my bandwagon, I don't care what
anyone here runs in their transmissions, I'm simply sharing my
experience because it pisses me off when people talk sh*t about things
they haven't tried or even done sufficient research on.

It is invalid. It's like saying that putting butter into a transmission
is bad... eventhough it will make it 'buttery smooth'... of course it's
bad! That's what makes it a bad analogy. We are talking about
transmission fluids here, not what random crap you can stick into your
where.

At least for Subaru transmissions. Gear oil / transmission is not just
heavy weight motor oil as it also contains extreme pressure and
anti-wear additives not found in regular motor oil.

Dmitriy wrote:
Real high-performance automotive fluid manufacturers (Redline, etc...)
don't buy retail packages of fluids to mix together and resell. <G>

A lubricant developer will usually employ engineers with backgrounds in
subjects like fluid dynamics, chemistry, and metallurgy. Just about any
compound, in any lubricant, is available one way or the other to most
any manufacturer. Every lubricant is a compromise, the key is to find
the best overall. The engineers will then use standard scientific
methods, like dyno running, with tear downs and constant fluid analysis.
and documented performance from actual use (possibly daily driving and
racing) data to prove the concept.

A few guys on a bulletin board, with no formal engineering training, who
think "it seems better!" don't constitute much in the world of test
data. As any racing crew chief will tell you, the most powerful part of
a car is the driver's mind! <G>

While a cocktail may work NOW, manufacturers often change formulas.
Sometimes to make it better, sometimes to provide the same performance
with lesser expensive ingredients or production processes. If suddenly
one of the reformulated products contains a compound which is not
compatible with one of the other products, (remember, reformulations are
not always marked on the package) and the "cocktail" causes a problem,
now what? <G>


I stand by the moron comment.

Dmitriy wrote:

Hi,

That's all very well and good...

I learned long ago the perils of trying to teach pigs to sing.

Rick

B A R R Y wrote:

Hi,

I'm with you 100%, but there are those who just don't (or won't) get it.
On the Internet, you can be anyone you want to be, and SOMEBODY will
take you seriously! As I mentioned above about teaching pigs to sing...

I don't think Subaru has yet reached this level of "technical
limitation" for lack of a better term, but this thread reminds me of a
certain GM/Chevy gearbox, used in some of their trucks just a few years
back. It spec'ed a synthetic oil and there was a GM part no. on the
"warning" tag on the gearbox. GM used TWO synthetic oils one year,
depending on which run of gearboxes the trucks had. Both had the same
weight rating, etc., just different part no's. One of the gearboxes, if
refilled using the wrong part no., would seize up within 150-200 miles!
(It happened to one of my clients--cost the shop that did the change
some bucks to replace his gearbox! Fortunately, it was a reputable shop,
not a "quickie" place, and they gave him no grief about it. The shop
manager told my client, as he apologized for the mistake, "I guess we
all went to school this week!")

So for those who think the "Uncle Scottys" (or "Bobistheoilguys") of the
world know more than the guys who do this stuff for a living, enjoy your
playing! Personally, I'll show a bit of respect for the guys who "wrote
the book" and the work they put into it, conspiracy theories
notwithstanding.

Rick