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Re: Malibu vs Camry - have Chevy dealers grown a pair?
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Re: Malibu vs Camry - have Chevy dealers grown a pair? -
05-17-2007
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"Mike Hunter" <mikehunt2 (AT) mailcity (DOT) com> wrote in message news:4oGdnX79JfUe4tbbnZ2dnUVZ_jKdnZ2d (AT) ptd (DOT) net... One need not go to a chat room to find a lot of unhappy former Toyota owners. Simply drive past and brand dealership at look at all of the Toyotas that were traded on that brand. The local Mazda dealer here has a 2007 Camry on his lot and the Ford dealer has a dozen Toyotas of all types as well. LOL mike ROFLOL. We've been over that before. The local Chevy dealership doesn't have a single Toyota on the lot. The salesmen come out and drool on mine if I drive onto the lot. They did get one Toyota last year; my elderly neighbor's. I didn't know she was planning to sell, or I'd have bought it myself. They took it off her hands, "without charging her a disposal fee" and then put it on the lot for $2K. It lasted two days. "Ed White" <ce.white3 (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote in message news:1179345795.433083.5380 (AT) y80g2000hsf (DOT) googlegroups.com... On May 15, 4:52 pm, "DH" <d... (AT) stargate (DOT) com> wrote: Maybe over in alt.autos.ford or alt.autos.gm, you could find some ex-Toyota owners with bad experiences to chat with. Would that make you happy? Actually it is pretty easy to find unhappy Toyota owners. Consumer Reports has a readers comment area on it's on-line site and there are quite a few unhappy Camry owners who took the time to comment there. As part of the site, each of the respondents can rate the car by "stars" 1 thru 5. Here is a comparison Camry (2007) - 159 total respondents - average "stars" = 4.2 - "5" - 96 (60.4%) - "4" - 28 (17.6%) - "3" - 15 (9.4%) - "2" - 11 (6.9%) - "1" - 9 (5.7%) Impala (2006 + 2007) - 39 respondents - average "stars" = 4.6 - "5" - 28 (71.8%) - "4" - 9 (23.1%) - "3" - 1 (2.6%) - "2" - 1 (2.6%) - "1" - 0 (0.0%) Ford Fusion (2006+2007) - 40 repsondents - average "stars" = 4.7 - "5" - 32 (80.0%) - "4" - 7 (17.5%) - "3" - 0 (0.0%) - "2" - 0 (0.0%) - "1" - 1 (2.5%) So among Consumer Reports readers that choose to enter a comment, the Camry is running behind both the Impala and the Fusion. Here are several of the more negative Camry comments - "Bought the Camry new. After a week, the radio/cd player would not light up and would cut off. Tapping the dashboard would bring sound and lights back. Entire radio/CD unit was replaced under warranty. Most serious issue is the transmission's hesitation. Dangerous situation when entering the Interstate. When gas pedal is depressed, car does not accelerates as expected, then suddenly, it jumps forwar with high RPM. Dealer claims that cars above Corollas have this problem. There are fixes for specific VIN numbers, buy my vehicle is not in that group. Dealer says there is nothing they can do. I am filing claims with Toyota to get my money back. The car is dangerous and my safety is at serious risks." ------- "Pros: exterior design, safety features, ride "Cons: poor quality build and materials, problems "precise steering, stability control works very well and breaks are good. BUT transmission hesitates to shift and too much body sway." "Ride is relatively comfortable, but when accelerating hard engine noise is too loud." "Squeaks and rattles throughout the dashboard beginning in cold weather. Stereo system projects too much light into the cabin. Cruise control does not work well. Water entered the fuel filler door and froze the cap ring. Interior materials are fragile. This car does not seem like it will last. I am going to trade it." ------- "The almighty Toyota has blinked. Gas milage is poor compared to sticker 24-34. overall 19-20mpg.wind noise and engine noise. Trans. late to kick in can be dangerous in certian situations. Save your money. back to dealer 3 times for rattles from dash and console.i cant say enough SAVE YOUR MONEY" ----- These comments are not typical of the comments. Most Camry comments are very positiove, but both the Impala and Fusion had a higher percentage of positive comments. Does this prove Toyota Camrys are bad cars? Certainly not. But it should make it clear that they are nothing special either. Even Conumer Report reader didn't rate the Camry any better than it two cheif domestic competitors. Ed -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com |
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You guys are hilarious, any car on the market today is a far better car than was on the market fifteen and twenty years ago, and they were better than those from fifteen and twenty years before that. If you had owned Toyotas from the same period that you owned the domestics you would have had as many problems or more. mike |
brand new.
Show me a '92 Ford, Crapsler or Chevy that looks and runs like brand
new.....
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My 92 Corolla Wagon with 205,000 miles looks and runs like it was brand new. |
than I do.
Ed
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"Scott in Florida" <askifyouwant (AT) mindspring (DOT) net> wrote in message news:00rp43p6jvnjlhsk4j8b1ekm481brpfq9k (AT) 4ax (DOT) com... My 92 Corolla Wagon with 205,000 miles looks and runs like it was brand new. How about a picture. Some people have a different idea what brand new means than I do. Ed |
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On May 17, 9:40 am, "DH" <d... (AT) stargate (DOT) com> wrote: "Mike Hunter" <mikehu... (AT) mailcity (DOT) com> wrote in message news:4oGdnX79JfUe4tbbnZ2dnUVZ_jKdnZ2d (AT) ptd (DOT) net... One need not go to a chat room to find a lot of unhappy former Toyota owners. Simply drive past and brand dealership at look at all of the Toyotas that were traded on that brand. The local Mazda dealer here has a 2007 Camry on his lot and the Ford dealer has a dozen Toyotas of all types as well. LOL mike ROFLOL. We've been over that before. The local Chevy dealership doesn't have a single Toyota on the lot. The salesmen come out and drool on mine if I drive onto the lot. But that is one dealer. I just looked at the on-line invetory of the three Chevrolet dealer nearest to me. They have the following Toyotas on their used car lots: Bobby Murray Chevrolet - 1 Toyota Sir Walter Chevroelt - 1 Toyota Rick Hendrick Chevrolet - 2 Toyotas Now for the three closest Ford Dealers: Capital Ford - 9 Toyotas Crossroads Ford - Cary - 9 Toytoas Crossroads Ford - Wake Forest - 6 Toyotas |
Toyota? What kind of Toyotas did they have?
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Dealer
chev/mazd 1 toyota, 11 fords, 75 chevrolets, 19 mazdas
toyota 186 toyotas, 14 fords, 10 chevrolets
chev 0 toyotas, 3 fords, 73 chevrolets
ford 1 toyota, 142 fords, 7 chevrolets
ford 0 toyotas, 64 Fords, 5 chevrolets
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Now the three closest Toyota dealers: Leith Toyota - 21 Fords (almost all trucks), 7 Chevrolets (all SUVs) Fred Anderson Toyota - 5 Fords (all but 1 SUVs), 4 Chevrolets (all SUVs or trucks) Mark Jacobson Toyota - 8 Fords (mostly SUVs or Vans), 4 Chevrolet (2 SUVs) Except for Leith Toyota, I don't see a lot of difference between how many of each other's vehicles the other brands carry. Leith is a large multi-brand dealership. The Toyota store is separate, but they have a Ford dealership 14 miles away in a small town, and a Lincoln Mercury dealership just down the street. I suspect they shift vehicles to the locale they think they are more likely to sell from. Leith is also the dealership that alway promenently displays used trucks and SUVs in front of the dealership. They are also the slimiest dealership around; no matter what brand you are interested in buying. And finally, Leith has a new Tundra sitting on the back of a Ford rollback wrecker out in front of the store. Not sure what message they are trying to send with that. I am not sure what any of this proves, |
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One need not go to a chat room to find a lot of unhappy former Toyota owners. Simply drive past and brand dealership at look at all of the Toyotas that were traded on that brand. |
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since all the new car dealers I know only try to sell trade-in that they feel are desirable. If they aren't going to sell quickly they just send them off to the auction. Leith must think Ford trucks and SUVs can be sold profitably since they have quite a few on their lot. Ed |
lemons, make lemonade.
It's not just turnover, it's margin, too. If they got those trucks cheap
enough, they'll make money.
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