Toyota is listing the rated MPG of the 6-speed manual 4x4 as being lower
than the 5-speed auto. This seems to defy logic to me. Does anyone have any
real-world experience to report for actual MPG?

Any ideas why this is? Are they using different 4WD systems?

Dan G wrote:
My real world MPG readings for a 2005 version are right in the predicted
range. The 2005 manual is rated for 1 MPG less than the automatic, as well.

"B A R R Y" <beech23pilot (AT) yahoo (DOT) com> wrote


My 2007 Taco 4X4 with the 5-speed auto gets about 18.5 in the city. On the
one road trip I've taken, with about 200 pounds of cargo, it got 25 mpg.
But I was driving at 65 mph. Regular gas. I noticed when I was going 65,
the tach was showing less than 2000 rpm.
--
Bearman

America: Land of the free because of the brave.

Yes, I'm assuming that it's a matter of RPMs, the auto must have a killer
overdrive.

On Wed, 16 May 2007 12:53:43 -0600, "Dan G" <none (AT) 12345 (DOT) org> wrote:

Don't know about the 4 x 4 and can't speak for the MT, however, my
results so far with 2007 tacoma double cab 2wd prerunner.

Tank no.miles gals mpg %highwayhighway miles city miles

1 253 12.4 20.5 50% 126.5 126.5
2 194.8 8.9 21.8 100% 194.8 0
3 293.3 15.5 18.9 0% 0 293.3
4 145.8 8.0 18.2 0% 0 145.8
5 194.6 10.3 18.9 10% 19.46 175.14
6 187.1 8.6 21.6 90% 168.39 18.71
7 312.1 15.9 19.7 66% 205.986106.114
8 231.7 11.7 19.8 40% 92.68 139.02
9 355.9 18.3 19.4 100% 355.9 0
10 308.2 16.4 18.7 20% 61.64 246.56
11 226.7 11.9 19.0 10% 22.67 204.03
12 303.3 13.7 22.1 90% 272.97 30.33
13 300.2 15.7 19.1 0% 0 300.2



3306.7 167.4 19.8 1520.996 1785.704
46% 54%

very close to the Toyota estimates of 19/22 for this version.
I'm very happy.

Frank

I don't know if this is relevant because I don't know what similarities are
between the Tacoma and the FJ.
Last spring I was looking for the 2007 FJ.

The FJ nearly has the same 4.0 L engine.
I was surprised the FJ with the 5-speed auto was rated for better MPG than
the 6 speed manual.
When I looked up the gear ratios, the automatic has a higher geared
overdrive.

The real shocker: The manual FJ does NOT have a disengagable 4wd.
Seems crazy to require the driver to manually shift through 6 gears but NOT
allow 4wd disengage.

I was not willing to trade these two factors in order to get the lowest low
gear in the manual.





"Dan G" <none (AT) 12345 (DOT) org> wrote

owl wrote:
The Tacoma certainly does allow the driver to disengage 4wd.

Looks like Toyota can be misleading in some of their TV ads.

So maybe, just maybe, they are lying a bit to get everyone to spend more for
their automatics, which also require more frequent servicing.

Or, maybe to get the lower MPG on the manual, they had their driver shift at
really high RPMs.

For the Highway mileage, maybe the automatic comes with higher rear end
gears.

All things being the same, I can't see how an automatic transmission would
get better gas mileage than a manual because the engine has to spin
transmission fluid around to get the automatic transmission to work. The
manual transmission just requires the driver to burn a few extra calories by
pushing in the clutch and moving the stick through the gears.

"Dan G" wrote:

"jp2express" <jp2mail-tempforum (AT) noSpamyahoo (DOT) com> wrote


Whatever you do, don't let the facts prevent you from forming a biased
opinion.

The mileage estimates are from the EPA, not from Toyota. (DUH)
The differential gear ratios are the same.
All things being the same, you don't have a clue what you are talking about.

"owl" <owl_1971_noSpam_ (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote


The FJ comes with full-time 4WD on the 6-sp, which does seem odd. The Tacos
all come with the same part-time 4WD system AFAIK.