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"DH" <dh (AT) stargate (DOT) com> wrote in message news:461e85b0$0$16299$88260bb3 (AT) free (DOT) teranews.com... Then don't. "Jeff Strickland" <crwlr (AT) verizon (DOT) net> wrote in message news:whtTh.5202$%l5.2617 (AT) trnddc05 (DOT) .. I think the black community needs to address its own house before they go banging on the neighbor's door. You're assigning a stereotype to the black community; which is the same thing that Imus did. By the way, once you scrape off the racist topping, Imus called these girls, whom he does not know at all, "whores." That ought to be enough to get him sacked in an ostensibly civilized country. I've forbidden certain radio stations in our house for similar reasons. My wife agrees. |
Imus is gone, and good riddance to him. But, the point isn't Don Imus. The
point is the black community is riddled with men that same the exact same
thing, and THEY are encouraged to do so while Dom Imus is chastised. I agree
that Don put his ass squarely into the wringer, I only wonder why it's a bad
thing when he does it but not when everybody else does it.
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"DH" <dh (AT) stargate (DOT) com> wrote in message news:461e85b0$0$16299$88260bb3 (AT) free (DOT) teranews.com... Then don't. "Jeff Strickland" <crwlr (AT) verizon (DOT) net> wrote in message news:whtTh.5202$%l5.2617 (AT) trnddc05 (DOT) .. I think the black community needs to address its own house before they go banging on the neighbor's door. You're assigning a stereotype to the black community; which is the same thing that Imus did. Fine, I'm wrong there. But if so, how come the spokesholes (Al and Jesse) of the black community have selective outrage? How come black rappers can openly call black women bitches and hos, and call each other nigger, but Imus says the same thing, apparently in a feeble attempt to make a bad joke more than to spread hate, and all hell breaks loose? |
of "music" too. Believe it or not, Al and Jesse can't dictate what rappers
produce or what their audience buys. Imus was on a mainstream radio station
and being simulcast on MSNBC. Do those rappers have a mainstream radio
program simulcast on MSNBC? My point is that type of "music" has to be
sought out by those who want to hear it.
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I am not trying to suggest that Imus is a brilliant man because I clearly believe he's an idiot. What I am trying to say is there are lots of idiots that say the same thing, and Al and Jesse don't seem to give a crap. Not only that, but the black community as a whole seem to be upset -- rightly, I might add -- about Imus, but are not upset about the others that do and say exactly the same thing. And, those others say the same thing as Imus said, but they say it with hate in their voice, and indifference towards those they harm through their words. |
lyrics?? Funny, I just saw Olberman interviewing Jesse last night and he
said the opposite.
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I don't mean to paint a broad brush across the black community, and I'm sorry if I did so. What I wanted to say was that the spokesholes of the community have demonstrated time and time again to have selective outrage. If the outrage was REALLY the words that came out, then Imus would not be the problem in the minds of Al and Jesse. Unfortunately, the community is defined by the spokesholes when there are so few other definitions to use. |
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"DH" <dh (AT) stargate (DOT) com> wrote in message news:461e8b0c$0$16274$88260bb3 (AT) free (DOT) teranews.com... "DH" <dh (AT) stargate (DOT) com> wrote in message news:461e85b0$0$16299$88260bb3 (AT) free (DOT) teranews.com... Then don't. "Jeff Strickland" <crwlr (AT) verizon (DOT) net> wrote in message news:whtTh.5202$%l5.2617 (AT) trnddc05 (DOT) .. I think the black community needs to address its own house before they go banging on the neighbor's door. You're assigning a stereotype to the black community; which is the same thing that Imus did. By the way, once you scrape off the racist topping, Imus called these girls, whom he does not know at all, "whores." That ought to be enough to get him sacked in an ostensibly civilized country. I've forbidden certain radio stations in our house for similar reasons. My wife agrees. One more time ... Imus is gone, and good riddance to him. But, the point isn't Don Imus. The point is the black community is riddled with men that same the exact same thing, and THEY are encouraged to do so while Dom Imus is chastised. I agree that Don put his ass squarely into the wringer, I only wonder why it's a bad thing when he does it but not when everybody else does it. |
speak for every African-American person in the US. You just can't help
yourself with that broad brush of yours.
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| "Jeff Strickland" <crwlr (AT) verizon (DOT) net> wrote in message news:VDwTh.21887$hb3.18105 (AT) trndny01 (DOT) .. "DH" <dh (AT) stargate (DOT) com> wrote in message news:461e85b0$0$16299$88260bb3 (AT) free (DOT) teranews.com... Then don't. "Jeff Strickland" <crwlr (AT) verizon (DOT) net> wrote in message news:whtTh.5202$%l5.2617 (AT) trnddc05 (DOT) .. I think the black community needs to address its own house before they go banging on the neighbor's door. You're assigning a stereotype to the black community; which is the same thing that Imus did. Fine, I'm wrong there. But if so, how come the spokesholes (Al and Jesse) of the black community have selective outrage? How come black rappers can openly call black women bitches and hos, and call each other nigger, but Imus says the same thing, apparently in a feeble attempt to make a bad joke more than to spread hate, and all hell breaks loose? They don't have selective outrage. I have heard them speak against that type of "music" too. Believe it or not, Al and Jesse can't dictate what rappers produce or what their audience buys. Imus was on a mainstream radio station and being simulcast on MSNBC. Do those rappers have a mainstream radio program simulcast on MSNBC? My point is that type of "music" has to be sought out by those who want to hear it. |
to condemn rappers the same way they condemned Imus. And, this is my only
point relative to this discussion.
If Al and Jesse can dictate what Imus does on his show, then they should
also be able to dictate the crap that spews forth from the rappers that are
by and large black entertainers. Yes, I know there are white rappers, but
I'd suggest that white rappers can not call black men niggers, like black
men call other black men.
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| I am not trying to suggest that Imus is a brilliant man because I clearly believe he's an idiot. What I am trying to say is there are lots of idiots that say the same thing, and Al and Jesse don't seem to give a crap. Not only that, but the black community as a whole seem to be upset -- rightly, I might add -- about Imus, but are not upset about the others that do and say exactly the same thing. And, those others say the same thing as Imus said, but they say it with hate in their voice, and indifference towards those they harm through their words. You've heard Al and Jesse actually say that they approve of current rap lyrics?? Funny, I just saw Olberman interviewing Jesse last night and he said the opposite. |
Imus before last week. I WANT them to disapprove of Imus, I think they took
way too long to express outrage. But, I want them to express the same
outrage toward the rappers that say the same thing. Lacking specific
disapproval of rappers from Al and Jesse, I have no choice but to believe
they approve. I want Al and Jesse to become vocal towards the speech, not
towards the speaker. They are vocal towards the speaker, and that's my beef.
It's the speech that's offensive here.
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"Jeff Strickland" <crwlr (AT) verizon (DOT) net> wrote in message news:ISwTh.16033$Cl.14902 (AT) trndny08 (DOT) .. "DH" <dh (AT) stargate (DOT) com> wrote in message news:461e8b0c$0$16274$88260bb3 (AT) free (DOT) teranews.com... "DH" <dh (AT) stargate (DOT) com> wrote in message news:461e85b0$0$16299$88260bb3 (AT) free (DOT) teranews.com... Then don't. "Jeff Strickland" <crwlr (AT) verizon (DOT) net> wrote in message news:whtTh.5202$%l5.2617 (AT) trnddc05 (DOT) .. I think the black community needs to address its own house before they go banging on the neighbor's door. You're assigning a stereotype to the black community; which is the same thing that Imus did. By the way, once you scrape off the racist topping, Imus called these girls, whom he does not know at all, "whores." That ought to be enough to get him sacked in an ostensibly civilized country. I've forbidden certain radio stations in our house for similar reasons. My wife agrees. One more time ... Imus is gone, and good riddance to him. But, the point isn't Don Imus. The point is the black community is riddled with men that same the exact same thing, and THEY are encouraged to do so while Dom Imus is chastised. I agree that Don put his ass squarely into the wringer, I only wonder why it's a bad thing when he does it but not when everybody else does it. Who encourages it? Young guys with lowered rides and over-amped bass don't speak for every African-American person in the US. You just can't help yourself with that broad brush of yours. |
speaking out against it no matter whom says it. It's disengenous to get
outraged at Imus but not the others. If I get a little bit of paint on you,
then speak out against the examples I give, don't sit there and defend
offensive speech.
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"Truckdude" <shrub (AT) thedeecider (DOT) com> wrote in message news:e7xTh.6041$SK3.3570 (AT) trnddc03 (DOT) .. "Jeff Strickland" <crwlr (AT) verizon (DOT) net> wrote in message news:ISwTh.16033$Cl.14902 (AT) trndny08 (DOT) .. "DH" <dh (AT) stargate (DOT) com> wrote in message news:461e8b0c$0$16274$88260bb3 (AT) free (DOT) teranews.com... "DH" <dh (AT) stargate (DOT) com> wrote in message news:461e85b0$0$16299$88260bb3 (AT) free (DOT) teranews.com... Then don't. "Jeff Strickland" <crwlr (AT) verizon (DOT) net> wrote in message news:whtTh.5202$%l5.2617 (AT) trnddc05 (DOT) .. I think the black community needs to address its own house before they go banging on the neighbor's door. You're assigning a stereotype to the black community; which is the same thing that Imus did. By the way, once you scrape off the racist topping, Imus called these girls, whom he does not know at all, "whores." That ought to be enough to get him sacked in an ostensibly civilized country. I've forbidden certain radio stations in our house for similar reasons. My wife agrees. One more time ... Imus is gone, and good riddance to him. But, the point isn't Don Imus. The point is the black community is riddled with men that same the exact same thing, and THEY are encouraged to do so while Dom Imus is chastised. I agree that Don put his ass squarely into the wringer, I only wonder why it's a bad thing when he does it but not when everybody else does it. Who encourages it? Young guys with lowered rides and over-amped bass don't speak for every African-American person in the US. You just can't help yourself with that broad brush of yours. I don't really care who encourages it, I want to see guys just like me speaking out against it no matter whom says it. It's disengenous to get outraged at Imus but not the others. If I get a little bit of paint on you, then speak out against the examples I give, don't sit there and defend offensive speech. |
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"DH" Then don't. I think the black community needs to address its own house before they go banging on the neighbor's door. You're assigning a stereotype to the black community; which is the same thing that Imus did. Fine, I'm wrong there. But if so, how come the spokesholes (Al and Jesse) of the black community have selective outrage? How come black rappers can openly call black women bitches and hos, and call each other nigger, but Imus says the same thing, apparently in a feeble attempt to make a bad joke more than to spread hate, and all hell breaks loose? I am not trying to suggest that Imus is a brilliant man because I clearly believe he's an idiot. What I am trying to say is there are lots of idiots that say the same thing, and Al and Jesse don't seem to give a crap. Not only that, but the black community as a whole seem to be upset -- rightly, I might add -- about Imus, but are not upset about the others that do and say exactly the same thing. And, those others say the same thing as Imus said, but they say it with hate in their voice, and indifference towards those they harm through their words. I don't mean to paint a broad brush across the black community, and I'm sorry if I did so. What I wanted to say was that the spokesholes of the community have demonstrated time and time again to have selective outrage. If the outrage was REALLY the words that came out, then Imus would not be the problem in the minds of Al and Jesse. Unfortunately, the community is defined by the spokesholes when there are so few other definitions to use. |
Natalie
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"Jeff Strickland" ... "DH" Then don't. I think the black community needs to address its own house before they go banging on the neighbor's door. You're assigning a stereotype to the black community; which is the same thing that Imus did. Fine, I'm wrong there. But if so, how come the spokesholes (Al and Jesse) of the black community have selective outrage? How come black rappers can openly call black women bitches and hos, and call each other nigger, but Imus says the same thing, apparently in a feeble attempt to make a bad joke more than to spread hate, and all hell breaks loose? I am not trying to suggest that Imus is a brilliant man because I clearly believe he's an idiot. What I am trying to say is there are lots of idiots that say the same thing, and Al and Jesse don't seem to give a crap. Not only that, but the black community as a whole seem to be upset -- rightly, I might add -- about Imus, but are not upset about the others that do and say exactly the same thing. And, those others say the same thing as Imus said, but they say it with hate in their voice, and indifference towards those they harm through their words. I don't mean to paint a broad brush across the black community, and I'm sorry if I did so. What I wanted to say was that the spokesholes of the community have demonstrated time and time again to have selective outrage. If the outrage was REALLY the words that came out, then Imus would not be the problem in the minds of Al and Jesse. Unfortunately, the community is defined by the spokesholes when there are so few other definitions to use. Personally, I think Bill Cosby is the best black voice out there today. Natalie |
general, you can be sure his swipe is not conditional on what part of
society is sick.
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"WickeddollŽ" "DH" Then don't. I think the black community needs to address its own house before they go banging on the neighbor's door. You're assigning a stereotype to the black community; which is the same thing that Imus did. Fine, I'm wrong there. But if so, how come the spokesholes (Al and Jesse) of the black community have selective outrage? How come black rappers can openly call black women bitches and hos, and call each other nigger, but Imus says the same thing, apparently in a feeble attempt to make a bad joke more than to spread hate, and all hell breaks loose? I am not trying to suggest that Imus is a brilliant man because I clearly believe he's an idiot. What I am trying to say is there are lots of idiots that say the same thing, and Al and Jesse don't seem to give a crap. Not only that, but the black community as a whole seem to be upset -- rightly, I might add -- about Imus, but are not upset about the others that do and say exactly the same thing. And, those others say the same thing as Imus said, but they say it with hate in their voice, and indifference towards those they harm through their words. I don't mean to paint a broad brush across the black community, and I'm sorry if I did so. What I wanted to say was that the spokesholes of the community have demonstrated time and time again to have selective outrage. If the outrage was REALLY the words that came out, then Imus would not be the problem in the minds of Al and Jesse. Unfortunately, the community is defined by the spokesholes when there are so few other definitions to use. Personally, I think Bill Cosby is the best black voice out there today. Natalie I agree. He is well reasoned, and if he takes a swipe at social ills in general, you can be sure his swipe is not conditional on what part of society is sick. He has been griping about the things blacks have been saying/doing for |
Natalie
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You're tarring an awful lot of people with a very wide brush for the activities of a very few. The 'black community' is instrumental in the creation of such songs? Hardly. |
uses the "offensive" language... They sure don't get fired for it, or
have to apologize for it, either.
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