On Apr 4, 8:13 pm, "Wickeddoll®"
<wickeddoll1958diespammers... (AT) yahoo (DOT) com> wrote:
So you think it would be better if the police used cars that were less
safe, as long as they were less likely to catch fire? Are you saying
you would be willing to trade a few more death by trauma in order to
elimate a fire death?

There is nothing wring with the cars design. Ford tested the fuel
system at far higher cash speeds than required to insure this. It
seems that you want Ford to say there is something wrong when there is
not. If you hit any vehicle hard enough, you can rupture a fuel tank,
even one mounted under the rear seat.

Think about this -

SUVs on the highways. The damage caused when an SUV moving at high
speed crahes into the rear of a parked patrol car is going to be far
greater than a sedan moving at 55 or 60. So why not identify
increasing speed limits or the increasing numbers of SUVs for police
car fires? Chevrolet stopped selling the Caprice police cars after the
early 90's, so during much of the late and middle 90s, right up until
today the CV was the largest selling vechicle for highway patrol work.
So, you have an increasing treat level becasue of more large vehicle
traveling at higher speeds and only one target - the Ford CV. It is
simple math to figure that when violent collisions happen to police
vehicles, a CV will be almost certainly be involved. You have no frame
of reference for claiming that CVs are defective. You essentially only
have a sample of one for comparison.

I am in NC (aren't you as well)? NC tried Impalas, but is no longer
buying them. This year they are buying a large number of Dodge
Chargers (somewhere around 250) - mostly becase they are looking for
higher speed cars, CV are relatively slow, especially when equipped
with light bars. At least on the NC roads that I drive, I see as many
CVs as ever. One recent trend is moving the blue lights from the roof
to inside the vehicle along the top of the windshield and rear window.
This makes the cars less obvious on the highway and probably helps
with the speed. I am in Raleigh, and they still only have CV police
cars.

You keep trying to make it seem as if CV are defective. They are not.
NHTSA studied the heck out of this and came to that conclusion. The
trail lawyer industry tied to make this claim but then that is how
they make the big bucks. The press been more than willing to highlight
cases where CV caught fire after a violent collision, but that is
their nature. Death by fire is sensational, so it makes for good TV.
None of this mean CVs are defective. I don't mind disagreeing with
you, but I hate to see you fall prey to bad reporting.

Ed

We can only assume you did not search the NHTSA site, if you continue to
believe the Interceptor had a defect that led to fuel system fires since the
NHTSA two year investigation proved otherwise.

Perhaps you are not seeing them but the fact is, currently nearly eight out
of ten certified police pursuit vehicles sold in the US and Canada are
Interceptors.

mike

"Wickeddoll®" <wickeddoll1958diespammersdie (AT) yahoo (DOT) com> wrote

"Mike Marlow" <...
Well, I tried.

I'm done with this pointless wheel-spinning, thanks.

Natalie

"Ed White"
"Wickeddoll®"
So you think it would be better if the police used cars that were less
safe, as long as they were less likely to catch fire? Are you saying
you would be willing to trade a few more death by trauma in order to
elimate a fire death?

*** No, now you're being facetious. I mean get a big car that's way less
likely to react the same way to that type of collision. How about that?
Nevermind, I'm not answering this thread again. It's a waste of time.

There is nothing wring with the cars design. Ford tested the fuel
system at far higher cash speeds than required to insure this. It
seems that you want Ford to say there is something wrong when there is
not. If you hit any vehicle hard enough, you can rupture a fuel tank,
even one mounted under the rear seat.

Think about this -

***Still not buying, simply because you have yet to show me how cops were
killed/injured in the same way with a different vehicles. But that's okay.

SUVs on the highways. The damage caused when an SUV moving at high
speed crahes into the rear of a parked patrol car is going to be far
greater than a sedan moving at 55 or 60. So why not identify
increasing speed limits or the increasing numbers of SUVs for police
car fires? Chevrolet stopped selling the Caprice police cars after the
early 90's, so during much of the late and middle 90s, right up until
today the CV was the largest selling vechicle for highway patrol work.
So, you have an increasing treat level becasue of more large vehicle
traveling at higher speeds and only one target - the Ford CV. It is
simple math to figure that when violent collisions happen to police
vehicles, a CV will be almost certainly be involved. You have no frame
of reference for claiming that CVs are defective. You essentially only
have a sample of one for comparison.

***And you have not provided proof of CV *not* being more vulnerable in that
situation than other cars in its class.

I am in NC (aren't you as well)? NC tried Impalas, but is no longer
buying them. This year they are buying a large number of Dodge
Chargers (somewhere around 250) - mostly becase they are looking for
higher speed cars, CV are relatively slow, especially when equipped
with light bars. At least on the NC roads that I drive, I see as many
CVs as ever. One recent trend is moving the blue lights from the roof
to inside the vehicle along the top of the windshield and rear window.
This makes the cars less obvious on the highway and probably helps
with the speed. I am in Raleigh, and they still only have CV police
cars.

***Yes, in Fayetteville they have some, but they have some other vehicles I
have yet to identify. Might be beta testing them. *shrug*

You keep trying to make it seem as if CV are defective. They are not.
NHTSA studied the heck out of this and came to that conclusion. The
trail lawyer industry tied to make this claim but then that is how
they make the big bucks. The press been more than willing to highlight
cases where CV caught fire after a violent collision, but that is
their nature. Death by fire is sensational, so it makes for good TV.
None of this mean CVs are defective. I don't mind disagreeing with
you, but I hate to see you fall prey to bad reporting.

Ed

I hate to see you missing my point every time, but I give up.

Life's too short. See ya on another thread.

:-)

Natalie

On Apr 5, 6:23 pm, "Wickeddoll®"
<wickeddoll1958diespammers... (AT) yahoo (DOT) com> wrote:

What point? That you have an axe to grind with Ford? It seems to me
you just kept saying the same thing, with no supporting facts. No one
claims that there haven't been CVs that caught fire in very severe
collisions. But NHTSA studied this and concluded CV were not
defective. Ford tests them at far higher speeds than required. It
seems that you want me to prove that other cars are as likely to catch
fire as a CV. There are not nearly enough cases invovling other
vehciles (Impalas Chargers, etc.) to draw any statistical conclusions.
Maybe there will be in 3 or 4 years. However, becasue the police now
take extra precautions (stopping further off the road, angling cars
away from the road, new rules requiring driver to avoid stopped police
cars), it is likely that there will be fewer violent collisions that
result in a fire. Despite what you seem to think, there are very few
fires following a collisions. Before the CV became popular, the most
popular police vehicle was the Chevrolet Caprice. It had a similar
incidence of fire following a collision. Civilian CVs and Grand
Marquis have a better safety record than the civilian versions of
other cars commonly used in police work.

One more time here are my thoughts:

1) The CV gas tank is located in a safe place (at the front of the
trunk above the rear axle)
2) Ford has conducted rear end collision test at higher speeds (75
mph) than any other manufacturer tests their vehicles
3) Even the early CVs (before the upgrades) had a similar incidence of
fire following collision to the Chevrolet Caprice
4) NHTSA studied the CV and concluded there was not a defect
5) During the life of the CV as a police vehicle, the "threat level"
has increased for police cars stopped along the side of roads - there
are more large vehicles driving at higher speeds than in the past
6) Civilian CVs and Grand Marquis are among the safest cars sold in
the US

Clearly you don't care about facts. I am surprised you didn't say
something like - "You are free to choose to believe as you wish...."

Ed

"Ed White"
Wickeddoll®"


Clearly you don't care about facts. I am surprised you didn't say
something like - "You are free to choose to believe as you wish...."

Ed

Cheap shot. Thanks.

Natalie

On Apr 6, 12:22 pm, "Wickeddoll®"
<wickeddoll1958diespammers... (AT) yahoo (DOT) com> wrote:
Honestly, I think you deserved it.

Ed

http://www.nhtsa.dot.gov/cars/proble...Vic/Index.html