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Re: Latest Mis-Leading Tundra Commercial -
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"SMS" <scharf.steven (AT) geemail (DOT) com> wrote in message news:4ae1dc61$0$1650$742ec2ed (AT) news (DOT) sonic.net... M. Balmer wrote: No, I think you are kidding. I see Dodges, Chevys and Fords with rusted frames (steel doesn't "rot) right here in AZ. My 98 Tacoma can run rings around any full sized Amerikan vehicle. It's been offroad every fucking week for 11 years and there's nothing rebuilt about the drive train and no rust either. American vehicles are good for hauling fat passengers and massive tonnages of cargo but utterly worthless offroad. They do not hold their value and quality is nonexistent. The Tundra is a very popular truck for contractors. It's expensive, but it's much tougher than the trucks from Ford like the F150, and they last for a very long time. The F150 is more for the weekend warrior that needs to occasionally tow a boat, or pick up a load of stuff from Home Depot. They were popular car replacements for a long time, but they really can't be considered "work trucks." Come on, this is total BS. It is almost the exact opposite of reality. |
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I'll bet 80+% plus Tundras are sold to people who never haul or tow anything more significant than a load of potting soil form Home Depot. |
***SOMEONE*** has this information, but you do not, and neither does anyone
else in this discussion, including me.
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Most serious contractors/famrer go for F250s ,or Silverado HDs. |
with your own eyes, and that's just not enough data, unless you failed
statistics in college. The only people who **MIGHT** have this information
would be the salespeople who sell trucks, assuming they were professional
enough to qualify their customers by asking how they intended to use their
trucks. But since most car salesman are slobs, even this is a stretch.
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But these words say the opposite: You're guessing, wishing or hoping. Maybe ***SOMEONE*** has this information, but you do not, and neither does anyone else in this discussion, including me. |
area the Tundra is an extremely popular truck for contractors, while the
F150 is more for the person that wants a truck to use as a personal vehicle.
If you read the reviews of the Tundra, it makes a poor personal vehicle.
Look at the Popular Mechanics review. The Tundra with the V8 had the
strongest engine, with the quickest 0-30 (laden with ballast it was
still better than the F150 or the Ram, and the crew cab was the best
for, well, actually carrying a crew. But it got dinged for its
truck-like suspension (well duh, it's actually a truck!). The F150 had a
softer, more car-like suspension because its target market is different.
It was rated the best for handling. It got dinged for the extra deep bed
which made loading more difficult. The engine isn't as powerful so it
was a bit slower as well, but nothing to worry about.
The biggest problem with the Tundra is that not enough buyers are
willing to pay premium for toughness or longevity. Look at how many
older F-150's you see on the road versus older Tundra's. It's not an
exaggeration to say that you could buy one Tundra for every two F150s,
so the upfront savings on the F150 is offset by the longevity of the
Tundra. Actually in the PM test the TOYOTA TUNDRA CREWMAX LIMITED had a
lower MSRP than the FORD F-150 KING RANCH. The difference is that the
F-150 is heavily discounted to well under invoice, while the Tundra is
discounted less.
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"JoeSpareBedroom" <newstrash (AT) frontiernet (DOT) net> found these unused words: "C. E. White" <cewhite3 (AT) mindspring (DOT) com> wrote in message news:hc498o$cpn$1 (AT) news (DOT) eternal-september.org... "SMS" <scharf.steven (AT) geemail (DOT) com> wrote in message news:4ae1dc61$0$1650$742ec2ed (AT) news (DOT) sonic.net... M. Balmer wrote: No, I think you are kidding. I see Dodges, Chevys and Fords with rusted frames (steel doesn't "rot) right here in AZ. My 98 Tacoma can run rings around any full sized Amerikan vehicle. It's been offroad every fucking week for 11 years and there's nothing rebuilt about the drive train and no rust either. American vehicles are good for hauling fat passengers and massive tonnages of cargo but utterly worthless offroad. They do not hold their value and quality is nonexistent. The Tundra is a very popular truck for contractors. It's expensive, but it's much tougher than the trucks from Ford like the F150, and they last for a very long time. The F150 is more for the weekend warrior that needs to occasionally tow a boat, or pick up a load of stuff from Home Depot. They were popular car replacements for a long time, but they really can't be considered "work trucks." Come on, this is total BS. It is almost the exact opposite of reality. The words you just typed suggest that you're sure of your claim. I'll bet 80+% plus Tundras are sold to people who never haul or tow anything more significant than a load of potting soil form Home Depot. But these words say the opposite: You're guessing, wishing or hoping. Maybe ***SOMEONE*** has this information, but you do not, and neither does anyone else in this discussion, including me. Most serious contractors/famrer go for F250s ,or Silverado HDs. See above. You have no data to back this up, except for what you've seen with your own eyes, and that's just not enough data, unless you failed statistics in college. The only people who **MIGHT** have this information would be the salespeople who sell trucks, assuming they were professional enough to qualify their customers by asking how they intended to use their trucks. But since most car salesman are slobs, even this is a stretch. "monthly sales figures announced by the manufacturers aggregate sales of light- and heavy-duty pickups but some news outlets incorrectly report the F-150 as the best-selling vehicle (and pickup) when they are really reporting total F-Series sales." [pickuptrucks.com] AFAIK, only J.D.Powers -=breaks out=- truck sales by category, light, medium and heavy. DETROIT (AP) - General Motors' (GM) U.S. sales plunged 21.3% in June and Ford (F) dropped 8.1% while Toyota (TM) reported a 10.2% sales surge compared with a year ago. Light-truck sales were up 11.9%, led by the redesigned Tundra full-size pickup. "Tundra really hit its stride this month, posting a record sales pace," Jim Lentz, executive vice president of Toyota's U.S. division, said in a statement. "In a short five months, the new truck's earned its stripes with both loyal Toyota owners and those new to the brand." [July 2009] |
I don't see how that information reveals HOW BUYERS USE THEIR TRUCKS. The
category names don't mean a thing in terms of showing who actually uses
trucks for work, or just a family vehicle.
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"SMS" <scharf.steven (AT) geemail (DOT) com> wrote in message news:4ae1dc61$0$1650$742ec2ed (AT) news (DOT) sonic.net... M. Balmer wrote: No, I think you are kidding. I see Dodges, Chevys and Fords with rusted frames (steel doesn't "rot) right here in AZ. My 98 Tacoma can run rings around any full sized Amerikan vehicle. It's been offroad every fucking week for 11 years and there's nothing rebuilt about the drive train and no rust either. American vehicles are good for hauling fat passengers and massive tonnages of cargo but utterly worthless offroad. They do not hold their value and quality is nonexistent. The Tundra is a very popular truck for contractors. It's expensive, but it's much tougher than the trucks from Ford like the F150, and they last for a very long time. The F150 is more for the weekend warrior that needs to occasionally tow a boat, or pick up a load of stuff from Home Depot. They were popular car replacements for a long time, but they really can't be considered "work trucks." Come on, this is total BS. It is almost the exact opposite of reality. I'll bet 80+% plus Tundras are sold to people who never haul or tow anything more significant than a load of potting soil form Home Depot. Most serious contractors/famrer go for F250s ,or Silverado HDs. I use my F150 on my farm and it does jsut fine. I considered an F250, but the F150 jsut seemed to suit me better. If I was goign to tow a 20 ft cattle weekly, then I'd probably have gone for the F250 (or 350), but I only tow something heavy a few times a year, so I decided to go for the F150 (queiter, better ride). I do regulalrly carry pallet loads of seed in my truck (2500#) and it handles that just fine. I know one farmer in my area that owns a Tundra...but for real work he pulls out his F250. The Tundra is his ride around truck. The local Toyota dealer was practically giving them away and he couldn't resist. As for toughness, have you looked under a Tundra? Try it and then look under an F250. The Tundra frame is so whimpy the bed shakes like a bowl of jello if you leave the tailgate open. Go to http://www.fordvehicles.com/2009f150/ and look at the durability test. I know this is a Ford produces advertising film, so I don't doubt it is biased, but there are enough complaints from Tundra owners that I am sure it is a problem and there are aftermarket fixes you can buy, so it must be a significant problem. Ed |
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"C. E. White" <cewhite3 (AT) mindspring (DOT) com> wrote in message news:hc498o$cpn$1 (AT) news (DOT) eternal-september.org... "SMS" <scharf.steven (AT) geemail (DOT) com> wrote in message news:4ae1dc61$0$1650$742ec2ed (AT) news (DOT) sonic.net... M. Balmer wrote: No, I think you are kidding. I see Dodges, Chevys and Fords with rusted frames (steel doesn't "rot) right here in AZ. My 98 Tacoma can run rings around any full sized Amerikan vehicle. It's been offroad every fucking week for 11 years and there's nothing rebuilt about the drive train and no rust either. American vehicles are good for hauling fat passengers and massive tonnages of cargo but utterly worthless offroad. They do not hold their value and quality is nonexistent. The Tundra is a very popular truck for contractors. It's expensive, but it's much tougher than the trucks from Ford like the F150, and they last for a very long time. The F150 is more for the weekend warrior that needs to occasionally tow a boat, or pick up a load of stuff from Home Depot. They were popular car replacements for a long time, but they really can't be considered "work trucks." Come on, this is total BS. It is almost the exact opposite of reality. The words you just typed suggest that you're sure of your claim. I'll bet 80+% plus Tundras are sold to people who never haul or tow anything more significant than a load of potting soil form Home Depot. But these words say the opposite: You're guessing, wishing or hoping. Maybe ***SOMEONE*** has this information, but you do not, and neither does anyone else in this discussion, including me. Most serious contractors/famrer go for F250s ,or Silverado HDs. See above. You have no data to back this up, except for what you've seen with your own eyes, and that's just not enough data, unless you failed statistics in college. The only people who **MIGHT** have this information would be the salespeople who sell trucks, assuming they were professional enough to qualify their customers by asking how they intended to use their trucks. But since most car salesman are slobs, even this is a stretch. |
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Has anyone notice the snap shot in the new Tundra Commercial? |
I have contractor friends who swear by Tundra's and some who swear at
them.
Every mfgr has lovers and haters.
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Naturally our friend Joe$#itForBrains knows that because has searched the internet and has found all of the available information that PROVES most car salesman are slobs, who know nothing about the trucks they sell. LOL "Joe$#itForBrains" <newstrash (AT) frontiernet (DOT) net> wrote in message news:TWhFm.10561$hO1.1159 (AT) newsfe21 (DOT) iad... "C. E. White" <cewhite3 (AT) mindspring (DOT) com> wrote in message news:hc498o$cpn$1 (AT) news (DOT) eternal-september.org... "SMS" <scharf.steven (AT) geemail (DOT) com> wrote in message news:4ae1dc61$0$1650$742ec2ed (AT) news (DOT) sonic.net... M. Balmer wrote: No, I think you are kidding. I see Dodges, Chevys and Fords with rusted frames (steel doesn't "rot) right here in AZ. My 98 Tacoma can run rings around any full sized Amerikan vehicle. It's been offroad every fucking week for 11 years and there's nothing rebuilt about the drive train and no rust either. American vehicles are good for hauling fat passengers and massive tonnages of cargo but utterly worthless offroad. They do not hold their value and quality is nonexistent. The Tundra is a very popular truck for contractors. It's expensive, but it's much tougher than the trucks from Ford like the F150, and they last for a very long time. The F150 is more for the weekend warrior that needs to occasionally tow a boat, or pick up a load of stuff from Home Depot. They were popular car replacements for a long time, but they really can't be considered "work trucks." Come on, this is total BS. It is almost the exact opposite of reality. The words you just typed suggest that you're sure of your claim. I'll bet 80+% plus Tundras are sold to people who never haul or tow anything more significant than a load of potting soil form Home Depot. But these words say the opposite: You're guessing, wishing or hoping. Maybe ***SOMEONE*** has this information, but you do not, and neither does anyone else in this discussion, including me. Most serious contractors/famrer go for F250s ,or Silverado HDs. See above. You have no data to back this up, except for what you've seen with your own eyes, and that's just not enough data, unless you failed statistics in college. The only people who **MIGHT** have this information would be the salespeople who sell trucks, assuming they were professional enough to qualify their customers by asking how they intended to use their trucks. But since most car salesman are slobs, even this is a stretch. |
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DETROIT (AP) - General Motors' (GM) U.S. sales plunged 21.3% in June and Ford (F) dropped 8.1% while Toyota (TM) reported a 10.2% sales surge compared with a year ago. Light-truck sales were up 11.9%, led by the redesigned Tundra full-size pickup. "Tundra really hit its stride this month, posting a record sales pace," Jim Lentz, executive vice president of Toyota's U.S. division, said in a statement. "In a short five months, the new truck's earned its stripes with both loyal Toyota owners and those new to the brand." [July 2009] |
For September 2009 Tundra sales were down 21.3% compared to Sept 2008
(6,308 vs 7,696). For 2009 year to date (end of September) Tundra
sales were down 50.6% (56,599 vs 115, 026). That doesn't seem like the
Tundra is hitting it stride any more....
For September 2009 F Series Sales were UP 3.5 percent campared to Sept
2009 (33,877 vs 32,727). For 2009 year to date (end of September) F
Series sales were down 24.8% (295,426 vs 392,698).
Toyota can spin things any way they want, but the facts are clear -
the Tundra is huge flop. Billion down the tube on an oversized poorly
designed pig of a truck. They took a decent design and turned it into
a bad clone of a Silverado. I suppose you might argue that it is about
as good as a Titan, but when the debate is whether your truck is the
fourth or fifth best large pickup in the US, you should just stamp
loser on the taillgate and go back to building vehicles you
understand. At least they still have the Tacoma to give them some
credibility in the pickup world. The Tundra is just a bad joke.
Ed
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I never said anything about how much car salesmen know about the vehicles themselves. You have a reading comprehension problem. "Mike Hunter" <Mikehunt2@lycos,com> wrote in message news:4ae5cdc5$0$29608$ce5e7886 (AT) news-radius (DOT) ptd.net... Naturally our friend Joe$#itForBrains knows that because has searched the internet and has found all of the available information that PROVES most car salesman are slobs, who know nothing about the trucks they sell. LOL "Joe$#itForBrains" <newstrash (AT) frontiernet (DOT) net> wrote in message news:TWhFm.10561$hO1.1159 (AT) newsfe21 (DOT) iad... "C. E. White" <cewhite3 (AT) mindspring (DOT) com> wrote in message news:hc498o$cpn$1 (AT) news (DOT) eternal-september.org... "SMS" <scharf.steven (AT) geemail (DOT) com> wrote in message news:4ae1dc61$0$1650$742ec2ed (AT) news (DOT) sonic.net... M. Balmer wrote: No, I think you are kidding. I see Dodges, Chevys and Fords with rusted frames (steel doesn't "rot) right here in AZ. My 98 Tacoma can run rings around any full sized Amerikan vehicle. It's been offroad every fucking week for 11 years and there's nothing rebuilt about the drive train and no rust either. American vehicles are good for hauling fat passengers and massive tonnages of cargo but utterly worthless offroad. They do not hold their value and quality is nonexistent. The Tundra is a very popular truck for contractors. It's expensive, but it's much tougher than the trucks from Ford like the F150, and they last for a very long time. The F150 is more for the weekend warrior that needs to occasionally tow a boat, or pick up a load of stuff from Home Depot. They were popular car replacements for a long time, but they really can't be considered "work trucks." Come on, this is total BS. It is almost the exact opposite of reality. The words you just typed suggest that you're sure of your claim. I'll bet 80+% plus Tundras are sold to people who never haul or tow anything more significant than a load of potting soil form Home Depot. But these words say the opposite: You're guessing, wishing or hoping. Maybe ***SOMEONE*** has this information, but you do not, and neither does anyone else in this discussion, including me. Most serious contractors/famrer go for F250s ,or Silverado HDs. See above. You have no data to back this up, except for what you've seen with your own eyes, and that's just not enough data, unless you failed statistics in college. The only people who **MIGHT** have this information would be the salespeople who sell trucks, assuming they were professional enough to qualify their customers by asking how they intended to use their trucks. But since most car salesman are slobs, even this is a stretch. |
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"Sir F. A. Rien" <jaSPAMc (AT) gbr (DOT) online.com> wrote in message news  6hbe55hoqno4r6fcm42nkarbb8i9a1o65 (AT) 4ax (DOT) com...DETROIT (AP) - General Motors' (GM) U.S. sales plunged 21.3% in June and Ford (F) dropped 8.1% while Toyota (TM) reported a 10.2% sales surge compared with a year ago. Light-truck sales were up 11.9%, led by the redesigned Tundra full-size pickup. "Tundra really hit its stride this month, posting a record sales pace," Jim Lentz, executive vice president of Toyota's U.S. division, said in a statement. "In a short five months, the new truck's earned its stripes with both loyal Toyota owners and those new to the brand." [July 2009] Check the latest numbers.... For September 2009 Tundra sales were down 21.3% compared to Sept 2008 (6,308 vs 7,696). For 2009 year to date (end of September) Tundra sales were down 50.6% (56,599 vs 115, 026). That doesn't seem like the Tundra is hitting it stride any more.... For September 2009 F Series Sales were UP 3.5 percent campared to Sept 2009 (33,877 vs 32,727). For 2009 year to date (end of September) F Series sales were down 24.8% (295,426 vs 392,698). Toyota can spin things any way they want, but the facts are clear - the Tundra is huge flop. Billion down the tube on an oversized poorly designed pig of a truck. They took a decent design and turned it into a bad clone of a Silverado. I suppose you might argue that it is about as good as a Titan, but when the debate is whether your truck is the fourth or fifth best large pickup in the US, you should just stamp loser on the taillgate and go back to building vehicles you understand. At least they still have the Tacoma to give them some credibility in the pickup world. The Tundra is just a bad joke. Ed |
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