You used to be a car salesman, so you know I'm right about car salesmen
being slobs. Except for making sure the customer can pay for the car, they
don't qualify customers with regard to how vehicles might be used. The
salesmen might be the ONLY source which could tell us how pickup owners
intend to use their trucks, but since they don't ask those questions unless
the customer brings up the subject, we do not have this information.

C.E. White claims to know which types of truck users are buying certain
brands. He **also** does not have this information.




"Mike Hunter" <Mikehunt2@lycos,com> wrote

Joe$#itForBrains, one would assume you know about used car salesman, after
that is what you buy but your are wrong, we are talking about NEW vehicle
buyers.

As former Group Sales Manager for a major vehicle sales group, I know from
years of personal experience that one of the first things a good new car
salesmen learns is to "qualify" their customer so as not lose his valuable
floor time trying to sell a customer a vehicle they do not want or need,
dummy

"Joe$#irForBrains" <newstrash (AT) frontiernet (DOT) net> wrote

Please rewrite your first paragraph tomorrow before you start drinking
again. The paragraph is a train wreck. Makes no sense at all except to you.




"Mike Hunter" <Mikehunt2@lycos,com> wrote

Are you saying you are not a used car buyer, Joe$#itForBrains?

Please tell us how many buyers are buying used Tundra's and why would Toyota
be touting used Tundra sales figures? LOL


"Joe$#itForBrains" <newstrash (AT) frontiernet (DOT) net> wrote

You're lost in the discussion. Go back to your urine-soaked easy chair with
yet another glass of Hennesey, grandpa.




"Mike Hunter" <Mikehunt2@lycos,com> wrote

Tundra is for weekend parenting.

On Oct 26, 8:25*am, Big Endian <5... (AT) hex (DOT) com.invalid> wrote:
> the tundra is for urban cowboys. *F-series is for real work.

"C. E. White" <cewhite3 (AT) mindspring (DOT) com> wrote


That sure was a lot of data in your last message. But there's still some
important data missing. You still can't show data which indicates how many
people buy trucks "just to have", vs those who buy them because of their
work. That data would also need to be broken down by brand. You've made
claims which require this data in order to be believable, but you've never
shown the data. That's probably because such data doesn't exist.

JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
You have to look at the big picture.

Consider that people shopping for a vehicle at a Ford dealer will often
purchase the F150 rather than one of Ford's rather poor sedans, coupes,
or SUVs. That's how you end up with the F150 often being the "best
selling vehicle in the U.S." No one thinks that all those buyers are
contractors; those F150s are the daily commute vehicle for most of the
buyers.

People shopping for a vehicle at a Toyota dealer have a selection of
excellent cars, trucks, and SUVs. Few Toyota buyers are going to choose
a large pickup truck, with its rather poor MPG, as a passenger vehicle
for daily use. That's why Tundra buyers tend to be people that are using
their trucks for real work, not weekend warriors hauling bags of potting
soil home from Lowe's or Home Depot.

The market for personal vehicles is much larger than the market for real
work trucks, that's why the F150 sells well.

"SMS" <scharf.steven (AT) geemail (DOT) com> wrote


Maybe, but without data (which doesn't exist), your theories do nothing but
invite yet another detour in the discussion. Hunter should come along
shortly, sputtering & drooling with another of his drunken, misspelled
opinions.

But still, there will be no data. There may be a few dealerships where real
sales training is done, and the salespeople proactively ask buyers how they
plan on using their trucks. But we'll never know because nobody polls car
salesmen on this subject. I wish somebody would prove me wrong, though. It
would mean that there was more sales professionalism in the car business
than previously thought. That would be a win-win situation in so many ways.

"SMS" <scharf.steven (AT) geemail (DOT) com> wrote

This is sort of weird logic.

It seems to me you are saying - People decide they want a Ford, they
go to the Ford dealer, and the only decent vehcile is an F150, so they
buy it. They don't consider cars from other manufacturers, only Ford,
so they feel stuck with F150s. Do you think this is reasonable?

Don't you think it is more likely, that for whatever reason a large
number of people decide they want a truck, and then once they decide
they want a truck, a large percentage decide to buy a Ford F150? This
seems much more likely to me.

In the last 5 years I have bought five new vehicles (three for me and
two for children). Three were cars (Mustang, Fusion, Mazda3) and two
were trucks (Frontier, F150). I didn't start out looking to buy a car
(say the Fusion) and end up in an F150. I wanted/needed a car and
bought a car that I thought best meet the need (or want). Likewise
when I decided to get a new farm truck, I looked around and bought a
truck. I didn't go to the Toyota dealer and think, hey, they have
great cars, I'll buy one. No, I looked at their trucks, and Ford's,
and Nissan's, and bought a Nissan (and then after 3 years decided I
hated it and bought a Ford).

I can buy the arguement that until recently Ford's car offereings were
not as attractive relative to their trucks as offering from other
manufacturers, and therefore Ford sales were skewed to trucks (i.e., a
larger percetnage of Ford's total sales were trucks than cars). I
can't buy the arguement that the F150 is the best selling vehicle
becasue it is Ford's only decent offering.

Ed