Latest Mis-Leading Tundra Commercial

#31

"Mike Hunter" <Mikehunt2@lycos,com> wrote

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You are confused, the frame on domestic trucks do not rust away. Toyota
did what it did because the number of trucks, with seriously rusting
frames made of Japanese steel, were approaching a NHTSA required safety
recall.

Does Dana use Japanese steel in its frames?
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Ray O
(correct punctuation to reply)

#32

"Ray O" <rokigawa (AT) NOSPAMtristarassociates (DOT) com> wrote

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"Mike Hunter" <Mikehunt2@lycos,com> wrote in message
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You are confused, the frame on domestic trucks do not rust away.
Toyota did what it did because the number of trucks, with seriously
rusting frames made of Japanese steel, were approaching a NHTSA required
safety recall.

Does Dana use Japanese steel in its frames?
--

Ray O
(correct punctuation to reply)

No, Dana Holding Corporation (Toledo OH) sells frames manufactured in both
the US and Mexico. I highly doubt they're inporting Japanese steel for this
purpose.

#33

"Rhon Wite" <Afterthought (AT) simms (DOT) com> wrote

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"Ray O" <rokigawa (AT) NOSPAMtristarassociates (DOT) com> wrote in message
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"Mike Hunter" <Mikehunt2@lycos,com> wrote in message
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You are confused, the frame on domestic trucks do not rust away. Toyota
did what it did because the number of trucks, with seriously rusting
frames made of Japanese steel, were approaching a NHTSA required safety
recall.

Does Dana use Japanese steel in its frames?
--

Ray O
(correct punctuation to reply)

No, Dana Holding Corporation (Toledo OH) sells frames manufactured in both
the US and Mexico. I highly doubt they're inporting Japanese steel for
this purpose.

That's kind of what I thought...
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Ray O
(correct punctuation to reply)

#34

Sir F. A. Rien wrote:

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DETROIT (AP) — General Motors' (GM) U.S. sales plunged 21.3% in June and
Ford (F) dropped 8.1% while Toyota (TM) reported a 10.2% sales surge
compared with a year ago.
Light-truck sales were up 11.9%, led by the redesigned Tundra full-size
pickup.
"Tundra really hit its stride this month, posting a record sales pace," Jim
Lentz, executive vice president of Toyota's U.S. division, said in a
statement. "In a short five months, the new truck's earned its stripes with
both loyal Toyota owners and those new to the brand."

The Tundra has always been a favorite of contractors and those that use
their trucks for actual work and not just farting around.

Last week I was at In 'N Out and parked between an Ford crew cab and a
Tundra crew cab. The Tundra was a few years old with steel racks
carrying 2x4's and PVC, a tool box in the bed, and a big old vise on the
bumper. Three construction workers got into it as I got out of my car.
The Ford crew cab had two child seats in the back, and a mom was getting
her two toddlers out of the back.

The above scenario is very typical. The Ford is a passenger car
replacement for those that have occasional need for a truck for towing a
boat or trailer, or picking up gardening stuff from the home improvement
store. Heck, if I were going to buy a Ford, I'd buy one of their trucks
as well. The Tundra customer is buying a truck because they need a
reliable work vehicle, not a passenger car.

Oh, and as someone pointed out in a previous post, the Tundra has higher
domestic content.

#35

"SMS" <scharf.steven (AT) geemail (DOT) com> wrote

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The biggest problem with the Tundra is that not enough buyers are willing
to pay premium for toughness or longevity.

When I was pricing trucks last February, the Tundras were heavily
discounted. I actually paid more for an F150 than I was qouted for a Tundra
with similar equipment (smaller V8, Access Cab). One trip down a rough road
convinced me the Tundra was a no go. Try running one over a few bumps with
the tailgate down and you wouldn't want one either. It was painfully obvious
the Tundra was the inferior truck. Toyota builds some fine vehicle. The
Tundra isn't one of them. I probably would be able to get buy with a Tundra,
but I prefer something that is overbuilt to something that is just good
enough to get buy. A Tundra wouldn't last some farmers I know a year. The
frame is too weak, the sheet metal to timmy. And given Toyota mediocre
reliabilty record of late and high Toyota repair prices, I couldn't see
taking a chance on a Tundra with my money.

Ed.

#36

What color is the sky in your world? LOL

"SMS" <scharf.steven (AT) geemail (DOT) com> wrote

Quote:

Sir F. A. Rien wrote:

DETROIT (AP) — General Motors' (GM) U.S. sales plunged 21.3% in June and
Ford (F) dropped 8.1% while Toyota (TM) reported a 10.2% sales surge
compared with a year ago.
Light-truck sales were up 11.9%, led by the redesigned Tundra full-size
pickup.
"Tundra really hit its stride this month, posting a record sales pace,"
Jim
Lentz, executive vice president of Toyota's U.S. division, said in a
statement. "In a short five months, the new truck's earned its stripes
with
both loyal Toyota owners and those new to the brand."

The Tundra has always been a favorite of contractors and those that use
their trucks for actual work and not just farting around.

Last week I was at In 'N Out and parked between an Ford crew cab and a
Tundra crew cab. The Tundra was a few years old with steel racks carrying
2x4's and PVC, a tool box in the bed, and a big old vise on the bumper.
Three construction workers got into it as I got out of my car. The Ford
crew cab had two child seats in the back, and a mom was getting her two
toddlers out of the back.

The above scenario is very typical. The Ford is a passenger car
replacement for those that have occasional need for a truck for towing a
boat or trailer, or picking up gardening stuff from the home improvement
store. Heck, if I were going to buy a Ford, I'd buy one of their trucks as
well. The Tundra customer is buying a truck because they need a reliable
work vehicle, not a passenger car.

Oh, and as someone pointed out in a previous post, the Tundra has higher
domestic content.

#37

In article <pfSdnUwnF6u2n3fXnZ2dnUVZ_s2dnZ2d (AT) earthlink (DOT) com>, "C. E. White" <cewhite3remove (AT) mindspring (DOT) com> wrote:

Quote:

"SMS" <scharf.steven (AT) geemail (DOT) com> wrote in message
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The biggest problem with the Tundra is that not enough buyers are willing
to pay premium for toughness or longevity.

When I was pricing trucks last February, the Tundras were heavily
discounted. I actually paid more for an F150 than I was qouted for a Tundra
with similar equipment (smaller V8, Access Cab). One trip down a rough road
convinced me the Tundra was a no go. Try running one over a few bumps with
the tailgate down and you wouldn't want one either. It was painfully obvious
the Tundra was the inferior truck. Toyota builds some fine vehicle. The
Tundra isn't one of them. I probably would be able to get buy with a Tundra,
but I prefer something that is overbuilt to something that is just good
enough to get buy. A Tundra wouldn't last some farmers I know a year. The
frame is too weak, the sheet metal to timmy. And given Toyota mediocre
reliabilty record of late and high Toyota repair prices, I couldn't see
taking a chance on a Tundra with my money.

Ed.

the sheet metal is timmy? what about lassie, too?

getting buy? you mean by?
(i don't proofread either.)

#38

I'm Right wrote:

Quote:

That is odd when I drive I see 30+ year old Chevy, GMC, Ford and a Dodge
once in a while.
Chevy PU's from 73-87 are everywhere, the 88-98 are too as well as the newr
chevys
I see 80-86 Fords, 87-97 fords and up. Dodges are mostly 94 and up, with a
few older 88-ish with a cummins.
I do see a few 89-94 Toy PU. The truck they should have kept building.

Toyota really hit their stride with Tundra. It's rather over-built, but
that's why it lasts so long. If you want something that's just "good
enough" but cheaper truck that will last 1/3 as long. The Tundra has a
stronger frame and thicker steel throughout. But it goes beyond just the
design, Toyotas are also more reliable, repairs are reasonably priced,
and parts availability is excellent.

#39

That may be your opinion but please tell us what if the color of the sky in
your world? LOL

"SMS" <scharf.steven (AT) geemail (DOT) com> wrote

Quote:

I'm Right wrote:
That is odd when I drive I see 30+ year old Chevy, GMC, Ford and a Dodge
once in a while.
Chevy PU's from 73-87 are everywhere, the 88-98 are too as well as the
newr chevys
I see 80-86 Fords, 87-97 fords and up. Dodges are mostly 94 and up, with
a few older 88-ish with a cummins.
I do see a few 89-94 Toy PU. The truck they should have kept building.

Toyota really hit their stride with Tundra. It's rather over-built, but
that's why it lasts so long. If you want something that's just "good
enough" but cheaper truck that will last 1/3 as long. The Tundra has a
stronger frame and thicker steel throughout. But it goes beyond just the
design, Toyotas are also more reliable, repairs are reasonably priced, and
parts availability is excellent.

#40

In article <4aeafdfa$0$13693$ce5e7886 (AT) news-radius (DOT) ptd.net>, "Mike Hunter" <Mikehunt2@lycos,com> wrote:

Quote:

That may be your opinion but please tell us what if the color of the sky in
your world? LOL

"SMS" <scharf.steven (AT) geemail (DOT) com> wrote in message
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I'm Right wrote:
That is odd when I drive I see 30+ year old Chevy, GMC, Ford and a Dodge
once in a while.
Chevy PU's from 73-87 are everywhere, the 88-98 are too as well as the
newr chevys
I see 80-86 Fords, 87-97 fords and up. Dodges are mostly 94 and up, with
a few older 88-ish with a cummins.
I do see a few 89-94 Toy PU. The truck they should have kept building.

Toyota really hit their stride with Tundra. It's rather over-built, but
that's why it lasts so long. If you want something that's just "good
enough" but cheaper truck that will last 1/3 as long. The Tundra has a
stronger frame and thicker steel throughout. But it goes beyond just the
design, Toyotas are also more reliable, repairs are reasonably priced, and
parts availability is excellent.

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