Mechanical Dependability

#21

Let me tell you something you may not know , you take a ride in a Camry with
80000 miles on it and it probablly will ride almost as good as it did when
it was new . Domestic makes , when they get miles on them just don't ride
nearly as well .

-Dana

"C. E. White" <cewhite3 (AT) removemindspring (DOT) com> wrote

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"Mike Hunter" <mikehunt2 (AT) mailcity (DOT) com> wrote in message
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So that is why the Camry is the number one selling mid size sedan in the
US
.

If I knew that, I think I'd have the secret to life. I have ridden in
quite
a few Camry's and never really understood the attraction. Boring styling,
mediocre appointments, mediocre performance, all at a premium price. I'd
love to claim it was Toyota advertising, but to me the Toyota national ads
are at best enigmatic (exactly what did/does the "Oh What A Feeling" or
":Moving Forward" slogans mean?). The local Toyota ads are just insulting.
One of the local Toyota dealers is now running ads where dogs are hyping
his
cars (you have to see them - they are really cheesy). I know a lot of
women
like Camry's, but I am not sure why. But then I never understood why my
Sisters both decided they wanted Volkswagens (at least they learned from
those mistakes). Maybe it is the favorable rating from Consumer Reports.
But
then my experience with Consumer Reports has been that if they recommend
something, you should definitely not buy that product. My Father is an
avid
Consumer Reports reader and he constantly buys things because of their
recommendations. So far he has suffered through crappy vacuum cleaners and
TVs because of their recommendations. When he was buying a new car last
year
he decided he wanted a Highlander based on the Consumer Reports reviews.
Fortunately he actually tried several vehicles before he bought one
(actually I made him try several - initially he just wanted me to go buy
him
a Highlander). After actually trying a few vehicles, he bought a Ford
Freestyle.

Ed

#22

"Dana" <dlkramer (AT) mindspring (DOT) com>

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I wouldn't own one if It didn't have a warrenty , and I would
probablly dump it when the warrenty ran out.

So do the majority of the German owners, it seems

#23

My 71 domestic, with nearly 300K on the clock, rides and drives as good as
it did when new

mike hunt

"Scott in Florida" <JustAsk (AT) Florida (DOT) com> wrote

Quote:

On Fri, 04 Nov 2005 03:54:20 GMT, "Dana" <dlkramer (AT) mindspring (DOT) com
wrote:

Let me tell you something you may not know , you take a ride in a Camry
with
80000 miles on it and it probablly will ride almost as good as it did when
it was new . Domestic makes , when they get miles on them just don't ride
nearly as well .

-Dana

My '92 Corolla Wagon rides as good as it did when new...

Try that with a domestic....

LOL

--

Scott in Florida

Still Voting Democratic?

You are Stuck On Stupid!

#24

I find it strange that you would make that comparison. I see a lot of old
German sedans at old car shows, that I visit throughout the country, but
hardly ever see a old Japanese sedan.

mike hunt

"boobie" <boobie.webdeveloper (AT) mailnull (DOT) com> wrote

Quote:

"Dana" <dlkramer (AT) mindspring (DOT) com
I wouldn't own one if It didn't have a warrenty , and I would
probablly dump it when the warrenty ran out.

So do the majority of the German owners, it seems

#25

"Dana" <dlkramer (AT) mindspring (DOT) com> wrote

Quote:

Let me tell you something you may not know , you take a ride in a Camry
with 80000 miles on it and it probablly will ride almost as good as it did
when it was new . Domestic makes , when they get miles on them just don't
ride nearly as well .

Why do you say that? My 1986 Sable at 135,000 miles with the original shock
rode just fine. My 14 year old F150, 100,000 miles is till on the original
suspension components, and rides as good as when it was new - and it has
seen a lot more stressful service than your Camry. My Mother has owned a
couple of Grand Marquis and they never had any ride problems, even when well
past 8 years old with more than 80,000 miles.

When did you last buy a new American car?

Ed

#26

"Scott in Florida" <JustAsk (AT) Florida (DOT) com> wrote

Quote:

On Fri, 04 Nov 2005 03:54:20 GMT, "Dana" <dlkramer (AT) mindspring (DOT) com
wrote:

Let me tell you something you may not know , you take a ride in a Camry
with
80000 miles on it and it probablly will ride almost as good as it did when
it was new . Domestic makes , when they get miles on them just don't ride
nearly as well .

-Dana

My '92 Corolla Wagon rides as good as it did when new...

Try that with a domestic....

I have - No problem.

Ed

#27

Why would you see an old japanese car? The German cars were made to be
expensive and stylish, the Japanese cheap and dependable.

It's not that they don't exist, just that they were never stylish to
begin with.

Do you see alot of Ford Fairmonts and Ford Escorts? How about Chevy
Chevettes?

#28

Huh? Not quite.

Smaller sample sizes have more inherent variability.

Larger sample sizes to have "more defects" in an absolute sense. But
as a % of the # sold, a larger sample size wouldn't cause more defects.

#29

Apparently you do not frequent old cars shows, there are lots of basic
vehicles like those you reference, from model 'Ts' on up to cars for the
eighties. I have a '71 Pinto I take to shows. There are Falcon, Corvair
and Valiant car clubs all over the US. You don't see Toyopet, Tercel or
even Camry clubs, however. I see cars from GB, France. Even Italian car at
shows which are not the poster cars for dependability. I suspect, from what
I have seen in my years in the business, is that the limited availability
and cost of parts as the reason Japanese cars are more likely to disappear
over time, plus the average Toyota buyer is not considered a car guy who
would keep and old car. Toyota buyers are more like appliance buyers, who
use their appliances till they die and then junk them. You hear from Toyota
buyer like that in this NG all the time

mike hunt

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"st-bum" <kennykabuki (AT) yahoo (DOT) com> wrote

Quote:

Why would you see an old japanese car? The German cars were made to be
expensive and stylish, the Japanese cheap and dependable.

It's not that they don't exist, just that they were never stylish to
begin with.

Do you see alot of Ford Fairmonts and Ford Escorts? How about Chevy
Chevettes?

#30

"Scott in Florida" <JustAsk (AT) Florida (DOT) com> wrote

Quote:

On Fri, 04 Nov 2005 18:25:58 GMT, "C. E. White"
cewhite3 (AT) mindspring (DOT) com> wrote:

"Scott in Florida" <JustAsk (AT) Florida (DOT) com> wrote in message
news:mkmmm1dch3rqibdkgg2tlj1osfse1janh9 (AT) 4ax (DOT) com...
On Fri, 04 Nov 2005 03:54:20 GMT, "Dana" <dlkramer (AT) mindspring (DOT) com
wrote:

Let me tell you something you may not know , you take a ride in a Camry
with
80000 miles on it and it probablly will ride almost as good as it did
when
it was new . Domestic makes , when they get miles on them just don't
ride
nearly as well .

-Dana

My '92 Corolla Wagon rides as good as it did when new...

Try that with a domestic....

I have - No problem.

What make/model?

My personal cars -
1972 Ford Pinto
1973 Ford Pinto
1986 Mercury Sable
1986 Ford Ranger
1989 Ford Taurus Wagon
1992 F150
1997 Ford Expedition
2003 Ford Expedtion (the ride is fine, but the Michelin tires I put on
30,000K ago are noisy as heck - originals were fine at 50k)

My parent's recent cars ( I assume you don't want me to go back to the '50s)
1982 Ford Country Squire Wagon
1992 Grand Marquis
2000 Grand Marquis
1989 Ford Ranger
1992 Ford Ranger
1999 Ford Ranger

I only included "domestic" vehicles that were actually driven more than
80,000 miles. I did not include a Ford Fiesta I owned, since it is not
really a domestic - but it was riding just fine when last seen at around
150k miles. And my Father / myself owned a Ford Courier, also not a
"domestic.". It never rode good, was jsut as bad at 80k as at 0k. My Sister
also owned a 1992 Escort that was riding fine at around 60k miles when it
was totaled when a truck hit it.

Ed

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