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Re: No Sludge! -
11-12-2005
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"TeGGeR®" <tegger (AT) tegger (DOT) c0m> wrote in message news:Xns970B4F605323Ctegger (AT) 207 (DOT) 14.113.17... |
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What? I must have come in late. What's the background here? What did Philip say? Some months ago, I asked what could be wrong with the Corolla as it had started eating about a quart between changes. No signs of dripping or leaking and no real signs of burning, either. He accused me of not maintaining the car and that I had a sludge buildup. . . . |
Ahhhh...
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1. I have receipts for oil changes every 3000. Not cheap oil, either. Valvoline Max-Life 10W30. |
The stuff that's supposed to "rejuvenate" worn seals.
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2. Now that we found that the pan gasket was seeping, that explains the loss of oil and the lack of dripping. If it was seeping, the airflow past the engine while it was running blew it away. I almost never idle the thing while it's sitting for more than 30 seconds, unless I'm at a traffic light. But I do drive it pretty hard . . . . |
My thinking leads me to suspect such a thing would end up coating the rear
of the block with oil, as the air whips up and eddies behind the engine.
Was there any oil blown around like that?
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3. No sludge was found when they had to drop the pan gasket. Not even varnish. Next thing to go will probably be the seals in block. I'm not used to front-drive engines. If it was a rear-drive setup, I'd expect the rear main to go out next. |
Seems to me that any of the seals could wear to the point of seepage at any
time. Unless your engine model has a quirk all its own, as some do
(example: Corolla T50 manual trannies used to eat their rear bearing
regularly).
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TeGGeR®
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"TeGGeR®" <tegger (AT) tegger (DOT) c0m> wrote in message news:Xns970B4F605323Ctegger (AT) 207 (DOT) 14.113.17... "Charles @ Kankakee" <n5hsr (AT) comcast (DOT) net> wrote in news:75KdnVZmbdfTF-neRVn-hQ (AT) comcast (DOT) com: Well I finally had to do it. At 209,000 miles, the original sealant on the pan was starting to weep . . . . So we took off the pan to replace the sealant, and guess what, Phillip? No sludge. None at all. I had them even make a note in the records. So, Mr High-and-Mighty, you were WRONG. Now serving crow for Mr. Phillip. . . . What? I must have come in late. What's the background here? What did Philip say? -- TeGGeR® Some months ago, I asked what could be wrong with the Corolla as it had started eating about a quart between changes. No signs of dripping or leaking and no real signs of burning, either. He accused me of not maintaining the car and that I had a sludge buildup. . . . 1. I have receipts for oil changes every 3000. Not cheap oil, either. Valvoline Max-Life 10W30. 2. Now that we found that the pan gasket was seeping, that explains the loss of oil and the lack of dripping. If it was seeping, the airflow past the engine while it was running blew it away. I almost never idle the thing while it's sitting for more than 30 seconds, unless I'm at a traffic light. But I do drive it pretty hard . . . . 3. No sludge was found when they had to drop the pan gasket. Not even varnish. Next thing to go will probably be the seals in block. I'm not used to front-drive engines. If it was a rear-drive setup, I'd expect the rear main to go out next. Charles of Kankakee Yes Charles, I remember that accusation clearly...I see Philip is |
something too...he's a pretty knowledgeable guy, but he's an
abrasive bastard too...
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-Gord.
(use gordon in email)
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"C. E. White" <cewhite3 (AT) mindspring (DOT) com> wrote in message news:R43df.7863$AS6.584 (AT) newsread3 (DOT) news.atl.earthlink.net... "Charles @ Kankakee" <n5hsr (AT) comcast (DOT) net> wrote in message news:75KdnVZmbdfTF-neRVn-hQ (AT) comcast (DOT) com... Well I finally had to do it. At 209,000 miles, the original sealant on the pan was starting to weep . . . . So we took off the pan to replace the sealant, and guess what, Phillip? No sludge. None at all. I had them even make a note in the records. What's so special about that? I've never really had any sort of sludge problem in any engine I've owned. Heck I took the pan off a 50 year old farm tractor which had been supjected to crappy old non-detergent motor oil for half of its life, and it didn't have any sludge. The only real sludge problem I've ever seen was a friend's Oldsmobile. He used Quaker State 10W40 and changed it at the GM recommended intervals. He had to scrap the crap out of the lifter valley with a spoon. Ed I had asked for possible causes of oil loss. She had started using about a quart between changes. |
expect a liberal coating of oil on the underside of the car and even across
the rear vertical part of the car body.
Are you absolutely sure that the consumption has ceased or even reduced
significantly?
Huw
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"Charles @ Kankakee" <n5hsr (AT) comcast (DOT) net> wrote in news:6_GdnStgf7RSD-jeRVn-hg (AT) comcast (DOT) com: "TeGGeR®" <tegger (AT) tegger (DOT) c0m> wrote in message news:Xns970B4F605323Ctegger (AT) 207 (DOT) 14.113.17... snip What? I must have come in late. What's the background here? What did Philip say? Some months ago, I asked what could be wrong with the Corolla as it had started eating about a quart between changes. No signs of dripping or leaking and no real signs of burning, either. He accused me of not maintaining the car and that I had a sludge buildup. . . . Ahhhh... 1. I have receipts for oil changes every 3000. Not cheap oil, either. Valvoline Max-Life 10W30. The stuff that's supposed to "rejuvenate" worn seals. 2. Now that we found that the pan gasket was seeping, that explains the loss of oil and the lack of dripping. If it was seeping, the airflow past the engine while it was running blew it away. I almost never idle the thing while it's sitting for more than 30 seconds, unless I'm at a traffic light. But I do drive it pretty hard . . . . My thinking leads me to suspect such a thing would end up coating the rear of the block with oil, as the air whips up and eddies behind the engine. Was there any oil blown around like that? 3. No sludge was found when they had to drop the pan gasket. Not even varnish. Next thing to go will probably be the seals in block. I'm not used to front-drive engines. If it was a rear-drive setup, I'd expect the rear main to go out next. Seems to me that any of the seals could wear to the point of seepage at any time. Unless your engine model has a quirk all its own, as some do (example: Corolla T50 manual trannies used to eat their rear bearing regularly). -- TeGGeR® |
part, but the rebuild job would have come to $250 and I had nowhere to take
it apart and do the work myself.
Charles of Kankakee
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"Charles @ Kankakee" <n5hsr (AT) comcast (DOT) net> wrote in message news:xpCdncyghvPuC-jenZ2dnUVZ_vudnZ2d (AT) comcast (DOT) com... "C. E. White" <cewhite3 (AT) mindspring (DOT) com> wrote in message news:R43df.7863$AS6.584 (AT) newsread3 (DOT) news.atl.earthlink.net... "Charles @ Kankakee" <n5hsr (AT) comcast (DOT) net> wrote in message news:75KdnVZmbdfTF-neRVn-hQ (AT) comcast (DOT) com... Well I finally had to do it. At 209,000 miles, the original sealant on the pan was starting to weep . . . . So we took off the pan to replace the sealant, and guess what, Phillip? No sludge. None at all. I had them even make a note in the records. What's so special about that? I've never really had any sort of sludge problem in any engine I've owned. Heck I took the pan off a 50 year old farm tractor which had been supjected to crappy old non-detergent motor oil for half of its life, and it didn't have any sludge. The only real sludge problem I've ever seen was a friend's Oldsmobile. He used Quaker State 10W40 and changed it at the GM recommended intervals. He had to scrap the crap out of the lifter valley with a spoon. Ed I had asked for possible causes of oil loss. She had started using about a quart between changes. If it was losing a quart every 3000 miles through a sump leak, I would expect a liberal coating of oil on the underside of the car and even across the rear vertical part of the car body. Are you absolutely sure that the consumption has ceased or even reduced significantly? Huw |
completely 'cured' and seated yet. And I got a good look at the underside
before replacement, and there wasn't a signifcant oil on anything but the
edges of the pan. I also just replaced the valve cover gasket the oil
change before. It's got 209,500 miles on it, so I'm expecting a few things
to need replacement now and again. But it is not showing signs of burning
it, either.
Charles of Kankakee
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"Huw" <hedydd[nospam]@tiscali.co.uk> wrote in message news:3tmui8FtkoeuU1 (AT) individual (DOT) net... I had asked for possible causes of oil loss. She had started using about a quart between changes. If it was losing a quart every 3000 miles through a sump leak, I would expect a liberal coating of oil on the underside of the car and even across the rear vertical part of the car body. Are you absolutely sure that the consumption has ceased or even reduced significantly? Huw The seal's only been replaced for 2 days. I'm not even sure if it has completely 'cured' and seated yet. And I got a good look at the underside before replacement, and there wasn't a signifcant oil on anything but the edges of the pan. I also just replaced the valve cover gasket the oil change before. It's got 209,500 miles on it, so I'm expecting a few things to need replacement now and again. But it is not showing signs of burning it, either. |
route and you will probably find that it is lost to combustion one way or
another. You will soon find out for sure.
Huw
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"Charles @ Kankakee" <n5hsr (AT) comcast (DOT) net> wrote in message news:MLednQafOqLNFOveRVn-rg (AT) comcast (DOT) com... "Huw" <hedydd[nospam]@tiscali.co.uk> wrote in message news:3tmui8FtkoeuU1 (AT) individual (DOT) net... I had asked for possible causes of oil loss. She had started using about a quart between changes. If it was losing a quart every 3000 miles through a sump leak, I would expect a liberal coating of oil on the underside of the car and even across the rear vertical part of the car body. Are you absolutely sure that the consumption has ceased or even reduced significantly? Huw The seal's only been replaced for 2 days. I'm not even sure if it has completely 'cured' and seated yet. And I got a good look at the underside before replacement, and there wasn't a signifcant oil on anything but the edges of the pan. I also just replaced the valve cover gasket the oil change before. It's got 209,500 miles on it, so I'm expecting a few things to need replacement now and again. But it is not showing signs of burning it, either. Unfortunately I think that your quart every three did not escape by that route and you will probably find that it is lost to combustion one way or another. You will soon find out for sure. Huw |
series engines that started sucking oil when the PCV valve clogged, so I've
been keeping an eye on that.
Charles
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