Well I finally had to do it. At 209,000 miles, the original sealant on the
pan was starting to weep . . . .

So we took off the pan to replace the sealant, and guess what, Phillip? No
sludge. None at all. I had them even make a note in the records.

So, Mr High-and-Mighty, you were WRONG. Now serving crow for Mr. Phillip. .
.. .

Charles of Kankakee

"Charles @ Kankakee" <n5hsr (AT) comcast (DOT) net> wrote in
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What? I must have come in late. What's the background here? What did Philip
say?

--
TeGGeR®

"Charles @ Kankakee" <n5hsr (AT) comcast (DOT) net> wrote

What is this regarding?

I always believed Philip to be a sludge skeptic, believing that regular
maintenance would lead to very little accumulation.

I always believed Philip to be a sludge skeptic, believing that regular
maintenance would lead to very little accumulation.

What model and year of yota (not all exhibit the problem which apparently
was due to design issue)? I suspect short trips are more a contibuting
cause to the sludge problem too.

"Charles @ Kankakee" <n5hsr (AT) comcast (DOT) net> wrote

"Charles @ Kankakee" <n5hsr (AT) comcast (DOT) net> wrote

What's so special about that? I've never really had any sort of sludge
problem in any engine I've owned. Heck I took the pan off a 50 year old farm
tractor which had been supjected to crappy old non-detergent motor oil for
half of its life, and it didn't have any sludge. The only real sludge
problem I've ever seen was a friend's Oldsmobile. He used Quaker State 10W40
and changed it at the GM recommended intervals. He had to scrap the crap out
of the lifter valley with a spoon.

Ed

"TeGGeR®" <tegger (AT) tegger (DOT) c0m> wrote

Some months ago, I asked what could be wrong with the Corolla as it had
started eating about a quart between changes. No signs of dripping or
leaking and no real signs of burning, either. He accused me of not
maintaining the car and that I had a sludge buildup. . . .

1. I have receipts for oil changes every 3000. Not cheap oil, either.
Valvoline Max-Life 10W30.

2. Now that we found that the pan gasket was seeping, that explains the
loss of oil and the lack of dripping. If it was seeping, the airflow past
the engine while it was running blew it away. I almost never idle the thing
while it's sitting for more than 30 seconds, unless I'm at a traffic light.
But I do drive it pretty hard . . . .

3. No sludge was found when they had to drop the pan gasket. Not even
varnish.

Next thing to go will probably be the seals in block. I'm not used to
front-drive engines. If it was a rear-drive setup, I'd expect the rear main
to go out next.

Charles of Kankakee

"Wolfgang" <NOwolfgangdieterSPAM (AT) cox (DOT) net> wrote

This thing doesn't get hardly any short trips. I drive it about 90 miles
one way each day except Saturday. That's how it's got 209,400 on it right
now. It gets a short trip at 5 in the morning on Sat, Tues, and Thurs, and
a short trip at 7:30 in the morning on Mon, Wed and Fri. But then on
Monday, Wed, Friday and Sunday nights, and Tuesday and Thursday morning, it
gets a 90 mile drive.

Charles of Kankakee

"C. E. White" <cewhite3 (AT) mindspring (DOT) com> wrote

I had asked for possible causes of oil loss. She had started using about a
quart between changes.

Phillip had practically accused me of:

1. Not maintaining it. I have receipts for oil changes every 3000 miles.

2. Using cheap oil. I use MaxLife 10W30. If I thought I could use their
DuraBlend, I'd use that. I did until 125,000 miles, anyway.

I have to rely on this car. I can't afford to do the cheap oil trick.
And we seem to have found the loss. As fast as I drive, it's blowing past
the pan when I'm driving. A new seal should fix that. Now I have to worry
about the mains going. Don't know if I have to worry about the front main.
Lost a rear main before, but that was on a front-engine rear-drive setup
that had been run summer and winter and 36,000 miles per year on Kendall
20-20W by the Previous Owner, or PO as it;s known as in some circles.

I wouldn't use QS in a lawn mower from what I hear about it. QS is the
primary reason my Dad wouldn't use multiweight oils until I talked him into
it with his 77 Corolla. He was probably glad I did. We got 207,000 out of
it, but we didn't use QS in it, either. . . .

Apparently QS has a high paraffin content, or did in the old days, that's
what they apparently used to use to make oil 'multi-weight', but it must
have been terrible on engines. Mom used to keep paraffin in the kitchen
for topping jelly jars. . . .

Charles of Kankakee

Charles of Kankakee