OFF TOPIC: Hey Geoff - what do you think of this?

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"Geoff Miller" <geoffm (AT) u1 (DOT) netgate.net> wrote

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Well, I suppose I *did* ask you...

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Wickeddoll® <wickeddoll1958DIEspammersDIE (AT) yahoo (DOT) com> writes:

Sure they do, but the point was that this guy pulled that
particular stereotype out of his ass, for no apparent reason
other than Berry being a black woman.

What evidence do you have of that? With all due respect, I
think you're going out of your way to take offense.

You haven't given me any other conclusion. It was a pointless, unnecessary
gaffe.

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My impression of the incident is based on the description of
the events in the article, which is all either of us has to
go on. Yours, on the other hand, is based on supposition: what
you believe was going thorugh the guy's mind at the time. The
thing is, you have no way of knowing what he was thinking, and
yet you default to the assumption that he was beling deliberately
offensive. Where I come from, that's known as having a chip on
one's shoulder.

I was going by the article, but you seem to think I'm a reactionary of some
type. I think just about anyone here can tell you I don't cry
discrimination easily. Far from it. Guy's an ass IMO, but I can
appreciate your POV, too. That's why I asked.

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What the hell was his point?

Rereading the article, my take on it is (still) that Moyles, a Brit,
was caught up in the moment and reached for an American -- specif-
ically, a New York -- stereotype to do an impression of, and that
just by chance, the one he happened to seize on was that of a black
Brooklyn thug.

Bad idea, but we're going in circles. He should have just asked her about
her film, or something else to do with her professionally; that's what
these types of things are for, not for him to trot out his lame standup
act.

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Why would he have deliberately tried to offend a guest on his show?
What possible gain would there have been for him?

I don't think he did it deliberately, I just think he exhibited very poor
taste and judgement.

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And what reason did Berry have to take offense? Was she suggesting
that there are no black thugs in New York City? That would be a
ridiculous claim, of course. So...what exactly was the problem?

No, but do you want anyone to keep bringing up the painfully negative
aspects of *your* culture? I don't think most of us are proud to be
associated with thugs, and this guy's comment only amplifies the need to
get away from that bullshit.

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No, all New York thugs aren't black...but *that* one, the one that
Moyles did an impression of, was. So what? Not all Jews are
neurotic...but the one that Woody Allen played in so many of his
films was. And yet, no one seems to believe that Allen was
consumed with self-loathing when he made those films.

Geoff

First of all, I do dislike, and always have despised Woody Allen - even
before the Soon Yi thing. Not being Jewish, I don't feel qualified to
comment on how accurately he portrays them. It's interesting that you
bring Jews up so often, but that's another argument for another time - not
with *me* though...

Thanks for you input!

Natalie

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