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Re: America's best car company -
03-13-2007
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"C. E. White" <cewhite3 (AT) removemindspring (DOT) com> wrote in message news:45f56876 (AT) kcnews01 (DOT) .. "DH" <dh (AT) stargate (DOT) com> wrote in message news:45f5497f$0$16317$88260bb3 (AT) free (DOT) teranews.com... Which brings me to, why are you here? My SO has a 2007 RAV4. I tried to buy a Tacoma last year but the prices are ridiculous. I ended up in a Frontier instead. Then we'd be delighted for you to back away from the keyboard and let your SO post. |
Toyota. She only looked at the RAV4 and the CR-V. I am perfectly
willing to share my opinions with her, but I would never try to tell
her what to do (and she would never try to tell em what to do). In the
time that I've know here, she has owned a Cmry Station Wagon, a
Plymouth Grand Voyager, and the RAV4. She drove the Camry and Voyager
into the ground. I think the Camry when a few more miles (200k vs
180k) but cost a lot more in repairs (although if she had actualyl
fixed the Voyager at teh end, the repair bills would have been
comparable). She had one major problem with the Voyager - a burned
exhaust valve. This occurred after she used it to tow a 21 foot
sailbot up I-95. Probably not a wise move. On the other hand, she used
the Camry to tow the same boat (slowly) in the past.
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Toyota won another customer last week. One of my friends, who had decided to get a Hyundai Santa Fe, went to test drive a Rav4, even though they're more expensive. "You seem awfully happy with yours," he said, "So, I decided to check them out." He bought it. As a Chrysler and Ford veteran, he said, "It's so much more car than I'm used to for the money." Did he even check out the domestic competition. In my opinion, if you don't need the third row of seats, an Escape is a much better buy than a RAV4. I've driven both (a 2001 Escape owned by my Sister and a 2007 RAV4 owned by my SO), and I prefer the Escape and it is thousands less expensive. Don't be silly. I told you he has "enjoyed" the full Chrysler and Ford ownership experience. He's put several transmissions into his Windstar, believes he has mastered that aspect of the vehicle ownership experience and is looking for new diversions. I forget why he swore he'd never buy another Chrysler but swear he did. |
it is not like Ford is unique in having transmission problems. Nobody
seems to trash Honda for their Odyssey transmission problems or Toyota
for their problems with V-6 Avalon and Camry transmissions (and I
assume the same transmission is in the V-6 RAV4).
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Before you start telling me how much more reliable the RAV4 will be, stop. It is not true. Even Toyota's In House Magazine, Consumer Reports Want some cheese with that whine? Bwahahahahaha! |
Escape an above average reliability rating. That is btter than they
rated the 4 cylinder Camry and the same as they rated the V-6 Camry.
It seems that Toyota lovers enjoy talking about CR ratings when it
supports their claims, but wants to ignore any CR opinions that don't
fit in with the "Toyotas are worth it no matter how much they cost."
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gives the Escape a better than average reliability prediction. Actually, I just looked at that (there's a very recent copy of CR floating around the office, one of my colleagues is planning to buy a car). The Escape is very noticeably less reliable than the Rav. It may be Ford's best effort but it's still not up to snuff. I might consider it, if the price was right but my wife never would. Neither would my buddy. |
don't necessarily translate into high marks for the current model. Go
look at the marks for the current four cylinder Camry, average, which
uses the same drive train as the 4 cylinder RAV4. Or look at the marks
for a V-6 Camry, above average, which is the same as the Escape.
Never considering a vehicle that gives you more for less is a foolish
mistake.
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It's tough work, winning a customer. You'd think Ford wouldn't so readily piss away something so hard to get. |
reliable competitor that sells for less?
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To be clear - There is nothing wrong with a RAV4. It is a decent vehicle, just way over priced. Ed That's not what my buddy thought. He's delighted with the vehicle and satisfied with the price. Oh, he knows he could have spent less but he believes that he would have gotten even less. |
wasted thousands of dollars.
Ed
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On Mon, 12 Mar 2007 10:47:25 -0400, "C. E. White" cewhite3 (AT) removemindspring (DOT) com> wrote: My SO has a 2007 RAV4. I tried to buy a Tacoma last year but the prices are ridiculous. I ended up in a Frontier instead. Well we see who is the smartest in your relationship..... |
experiences won't be comparable. I can say this - where my farm is
located I know two farmers that also have Frontiers. So far neither
has had any problems. I know only one farmer with a Toyota truck - his
is sitting in the local garage with a blown head gasket - apparently a
common problem with some Toyota V-6 engines.
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You are just jealous your boy friend has a better vehicle....would be my guess... |
If you don't like my opinions, that is fine, but it is poor form to
resort to personal insults (or in this case a weak attempt at a
personal insult).
Ed
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"DH" <dh (AT) stargate (DOT) com> wrote in message news:45f5707d$0$16309$88260bb3 (AT) free (DOT) teranews.com... [snip] Toyota won another customer last week. One of my friends, who had decided to get a Hyundai Santa Fe, went to test drive a Rav4, even though they're more expensive. "You seem awfully happy with yours," he said, "So, I decided to check them out." He bought it. As a Chrysler and Ford veteran, he said, "It's so much more car than I'm used to for the money." Did he even check out the domestic competition. In my opinion, if you don't need the third row of seats, an Escape is a much better buy than a RAV4. I've driven both (a 2001 Escape owned by my Sister and a 2007 RAV4 owned by my SO), and I prefer the Escape and it is thousands less expensive. Don't be silly. I told you he has "enjoyed" the full Chrysler and Ford ownership experience. He's put several transmissions into his Windstar, believes he has mastered that aspect of the vehicle ownership experience and is looking for new diversions. I forget why he swore he'd never buy another Chrysler but swear he did. You won't see me recommending a Windstar to anyone. On the other hand, it is not like Ford is unique in having transmission problems. Nobody seems to trash Honda for their Odyssey transmission problems or Toyota for their problems with V-6 Avalon and Camry transmissions (and I assume the same transmission is in the V-6 RAV4). |
new vehicle. He had one of those Odyssey's with transmission problems. At
97K miles he took it to the dealer because they transmission was slipping.
They replaced it, imediately, for free. No discussion, no "let's wait and
see what develops," no "we couldn't reproduce the problem." None of that
crap. Just a transparent attempt to make a loyal Honda customer out of a
bad situation.
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Before you start telling me how much more reliable the RAV4 will be, stop. It is not true. Even Toyota's In House Magazine, Consumer Reports Want some cheese with that whine? Bwahahahahaha! Since when is reporting facts whining? |
Why doesn't GM - and Ford - just stuff the ballot box over at CR? They
could have every UAW worker buy a subscription and return the annual survey:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17553636/site/newsweek/
or they could just make better cars.
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Consumer Reports gave the Escape an above average reliability rating. That is btter than they rated the 4 cylinder Camry and the same as they rated the V-6 Camry. It seems that Toyota lovers enjoy talking about CR ratings when it supports their claims, but wants to ignore any CR opinions that don't fit in with the "Toyotas are worth it no matter how much they cost." gives the Escape a better than average reliability prediction. Actually, I just looked at that (there's a very recent copy of CR floating around the office, one of my colleagues is planning to buy a car). The Escape is very noticeably less reliable than the Rav. It may be Ford's best effort but it's still not up to snuff. I might consider it, if the price was right but my wife never would. Neither would my buddy. The RAV4 is "all new" for 2007 so the high marks for prior models don't necessarily translate into high marks for the current model. Go look at the marks for the current four cylinder Camry, average, which uses the same drive train as the 4 cylinder RAV4. Or look at the marks for a V-6 Camry, above average, which is the same as the Escape. |
as reliable as other models but Toyota's consistent performance says that it
probably will. Consistency is something you only get if you work the
quality issues all the time. You can tell what page Toyota's on in CR by
looking at the dominant color.
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Never considering a vehicle that gives you more for less is a foolish mistake. |
loyalty? I think not.
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It's tough work, winning a customer. You'd think Ford wouldn't so readily piss away something so hard to get. How is Ford pissing away anything when the Escape is a well built, reliable competitor that sells for less? To be clear - There is nothing wrong with a RAV4. It is a decent vehicle, just way over priced. Ed That's not what my buddy thought. He's delighted with the vehicle and satisfied with the price. Oh, he knows he could have spent less but he believes that he would have gotten even less. Well if he is happy, I guess there is no point in telling him he wasted thousands of dollars. Ed |
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"Scott in Florida" <askifyouwant (AT) mindspring (DOT) net> wrote in message news:nsuav2hesmh1s0rtf12rgupqlolt9ji2md (AT) 4ax (DOT) com... On Mon, 12 Mar 2007 10:47:25 -0400, "C. E. White" cewhite3 (AT) removemindspring (DOT) com> wrote: My SO has a 2007 RAV4. I tried to buy a Tacoma last year but the prices are ridiculous. I ended up in a Frontier instead. Well we see who is the smartest in your relationship..... Probably not. The usages of the vehicles are so different our experiences won't be comparable. I can say this - where my farm is located I know two farmers that also have Frontiers. So far neither has had any problems. I know only one farmer with a Toyota truck - his is sitting in the local garage with a blown head gasket - apparently a common problem with some Toyota V-6 engines. You are just jealous your boy friend has a better vehicle....would be my guess... Scott, If you don't like my opinions, that is fine, but it is poor form to resort to personal insults (or in this case a weak attempt at a personal insult). Ed |
Toyota. We're not stupid, we're just loyal because Toyota has delivered
value for us. If you don't like it, you can go hang out in .Ford and sulk.
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