Get real new car dealer are not in the used car businesses, that is why one
gets a discount on a no trade deal. No new car dealer worth his salt ever
buys used cars. A good dealer needs to sell off his trades to free up
capital. If a new car dealer does need a certain late used models, he will
buy them at his own brands sales, in any event. Where do you learn this
goofy stuff anyway?

mike


"Jeff" <news (AT) googlemail (DOT) com> wrote

"Mike Hunter" <mikehunt2 (AT) mailcity (DOT) com> wrote

O come off it.

You said that GM is better because it sells "far more cars than Toyota."
Then I point out that Toyota and GM sell about the same number of cars, with
GM selling about 2.5% more cars.

I also pointed out that the Corolla is the best selling car (and actually,
it is the best selling vehicle of all time, surpassing even the F150
series).

Then you tell me: "You are free to believe whatever you choose."

You make an argument, I show you that your argument is faulty (unless 2.5%
more is really "far more") and that is the best that you can do?

I would also point out that, based on your argument, Toyota is better
automaker than Ford, which sold about 71,000 cars last month, about 33% less
than Toyota.

However, the number of sales don't show that GM is better than Ford, any
more than it shows that Toyota is better than Ford.

I was hoping that you could participate in a discussion in a more positive
way.

It reminds me of when my little cousin would put her fingers in her ears and
start singing when I wanted to tell her something she didn't want to hear.

Jeff

"Mike Hunter" <mikehunt2 (AT) mailcity (DOT) com> wrote

Why do you think new car dealers also have used car lots? If they don't want
to sell used cars (there is no reason why they have to), they can just sell
the cars to other used car dealers (like used car dealers not owned by a
dealership) or wholesale them at auctions.

They make money selling used cars.

http://www.cybersaa.org/newsletter/used.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Car_dealer_auctions

What I said was logic indicates GM must be best in the minds of the most
buyers, since more buyer choose to buy what they sell. over any other. GM
is a car company. Ford is a car company. Toyota is a car company. GM out
sells Ford and both outsold Toyota and they did so by millions of vehicles
in 2006. They are still outselling Toyotas in 2007.

Pretty basic stuff here. Logic says more buyers must think the Camry is the
best midsize car and more buyers must think the Civic is the best small car.
However more buyers most think GM cars, in general, are better than either,
or any others, since GM sells more cars in the US than any other. The Camry
is the best selling car in the US not the Corolla. The Civic is the best
selling SMALL car in the US not the Corolla. The Corollas, sold around the
world at the same time over the years, are and were not the same car, only
the same name

You however are free to continue to believe whatever you choose.

mike


"Jeff" <news (AT) googlemail (DOT) com> wrote

No kidding turbo. Where do you come up with this goofy stuff? I was group
Sales Manager for ten years. Of course we tried to sell the cars we traded,
at retail rather than at wholesale. The selling price of a used car, unlike
new car, deprecates every month. After sixty days if they did not sell we
sold them to the wholesalers. We certainly would not tie up our capitol
keeping or buying used cars, when we needed it to pay for the new cars we
stocked. Floor plan costs can kill a dealership that must finance a minimum
four or five million dollar inventory every month. Besides if one wants to
be get into the used car business he would be a fool to spend millions of
dollars to buy a new car dealership, just to sell used cars


mike


"Jeff" <news (AT) googlemail (DOT) com> wrote

"JoeSpareBedroom" <dishborealis (AT) yahoo (DOT) com> wrote

I'm willing to give Detroit a chance but only after I see evidence that
they're building cars that measure up. Right now, Detroit product is very
inexpensive. If it's not also cheap, it's a deal.

But I haven't seen that evidence, yet.

My wife agrees with you. She guarantees it will be a cold day in Hell
before another Ford graces our driveway.



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"Mike Hunter" <mikehunt2 (AT) mailcity (DOT) com> wrote

If our CEO sees that the market for one of our products is expanding and our
unit volume and profitability is not expanding with it, then I can tell you
the names of the managers for that product:

They are History and Gone

And GM is cutting price and their share is plummeting? Only the densest
fool would think this was a characteristic of the "best" car company and I
can also tell you the name of that densest fool:

That is "mike hunt"



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"dh" <dh (AT) stargate (DOT) com> wrote

I do think Ford, GM and Chrysler, if it gets free of Diamler, have the
possibility of being good, solid companies once again. However, they have to
change their ways. If you read about Toyota and Honda, you will read about
how they have a company philosophy. For example, any worker at Toyota can
stop the assembly to fix a problem. The management really listens to the
workers and the costumers. Before Toyota and Honda became popular, the
Michigan 3, IMHO, didn't work that hard to get our business. They pretty
much had a captive market. Sure there were AMC with its Jeep, and the
occaisonal import, like Toyota, Datsun, Honda, VW, Mercedes and even those
weird French cars, one of which had poo as it first syllabol. (Actually, I
learned to drive on a Peugeot - I really liked the car - but they had
horrible marketing.)

Ford, GM and Chrysler had many years to learn how to listen to the costumer
and create a good work culture, but they really haven't learned how to do.

Not Toyota and Honda have to learn new ways of bring their culture to other
parts of the world where they have plants.

If they change, they can make it.

If they don't they won't.

IBM did a great job of reinventing itself. Other companies can, too.

Jeff

"Mark" <bogusmailmark (AT) yahoo (DOT) com> wrote

Well it least it eased my mind about that stupid Tundra Commercial (the one
with the ramp over the canyon). Just another fake Toyota ad. Just as phony
as the metor strike on the Tacoma They somehow erased the safety tether
from the add shown on TV. Sort of emblematic of the "new" Tundra (just
another but "bnigger" fake). Oh What a Feeling. Moving Forward. This changes
everything.

Ed

"DH" <dh (AT) stargate (DOT) com> wrote


RAV4 - fun to drive? I've driven one around a thousand miles. I'd never
confuse it with a car that was "fun to drive." Competent, yes, fun , no.

You must have a really dull life.

Ed