OT: This Cartoon Seemed Far-Fetched In 1948

#11

On Wed, 28 Oct 2009 09:44:40 -0700, TinLizziedl wrote:
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... I feel that we
should disband all parties, prohibit the declaration of party choice, and
vote for individuals based on what they say now AND their past performance
in business / public office.

What's this "we" shit? What authority would do the banning and prohobition?

People who really want to be Free will be Free regardless of what the
authority-worshippers will do, and the sheeple will continue to vote the
biggest herd.

The secret is to figure out how to slip through the cracks, defending
yourself from violations of your person, and be prepared to step in after
the inevitable collapse of the empire.

Cheers!
Rich

#12

One need not look at a cartoon to see had bad things get when run by the
government. Look at how it runs the things it runs today, Social Security,
Medicare and Medicaid, to name just a few, they are ALL going bankrupt.
Yet some people want the government to take over our healthcare, it nuts
LOL

"TinLizziedl" <nothere (AT) donttry (DOT) com> wrote

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In article <2a0d71f1-d63d-44eb-855a-90dacda54be1
@h40g2000prf.googlegroups.com>, VK3BFA (AT) wia (DOT) org.au says...
On Oct 27, 12:27 pm, "Richard W." <rawe... (AT) yahoo (DOT) com> wrote:
You should see this video from 1948.

http://nationaljuggernaut.blogspot.com/2009/09/this-cartoon-seemed-fa...

Absolutely fascinating! - complex socio-economic theories and practice
reduced to a 10 minute cartoon. Glad we are so much more educated and
sophisticated these days and can analyse issues on their merits rather
than continue to embrace simplistic dogma.

Andrew VK3BFA.

We as a nation will always embrace simplistic dogma. It's the problem
of the lowest common denominator. To get hundreds of millions of people
to understand a complex socio-economic problem that crosses
international borders, you have to dumb it down. After all, there is no
I.Q. requirement for eligibility to vote.

Complex problems irritate people (hopefully, they realize that there is
no quick, easy, one-size-fits-all solution), and simple solutions always
leave somebody with the crappy end of the stick.

--
Tin Lizzie
"Elephant: A mouse built to government specifications."-Lazarus Long

#13

"Rich Grise" <richgrise (AT) example (DOT) net> wrote

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On Mon, 26 Oct 2009 18:27:23 -0700, Richard W. wrote:

You should see this video from 1948.

http://nationaljuggernaut.blogspot.com/2009/09/this-cartoon-seemed-far-fetched-in-1948.html

I did! Thanks! Apparently there was a lot more awareness back in those
days - 1948 is also the year when George Orwell wrote "1984." Yup, a lot
of good, smart stuff was produced around then - oh, by the way, I was
conceived in 1948! :-D

[Born 3/3/1949]
Cheers!
Rich

Ummm, well, for one thing, the car was invented in Germany in the 1890s!
Germany was an absolute monarchy then!

Steve R.

#14

On Oct 29, 2:48 am, Rich Grise <richgr... (AT) example (DOT) net> wrote:

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On Tue, 27 Oct 2009 16:08:55 -0700, Andrew VK3BFA wrote:
On Oct 27, 12:27 pm, "Richard W." <rawe... (AT) yahoo (DOT) com> wrote:
You should see this video from 1948.

http://nationaljuggernaut.blogspot.com/2009/09/this-cartoon-seemed-fa...

Absolutely fascinating! - complex socio-economic theories and practice
reduced to a 10 minute cartoon. Glad we are so much more educated and
sophisticated these days and can analyse issues on their merits rather
than continue to embrace simplistic dogma.

Is "Freedom is Better" "simplistic dogma" to you?

If you don't believe Freedom is Better, please explain how slavery is
better. Use as much space as you need:

Thanks,
Rich

Oh Goody - a semantic argument. First, define your concept of Freedom,
we may be thinking of different things. - and could you list all the
other things you wish to seek clarification on.

I rest my case - slogans over thinking. No wonder you guys are in a
mess.

Andrew VK3BFA.

#15

On Oct 29, 1:05 pm, "Steve R." <ud... (AT) nospam (DOT) ca> wrote:

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"Rich Grise" <richgr... (AT) example (DOT) net> wrote in message

news

an.2009.10.27.18.56.15.847628 (AT) example (DOT) net...

On Mon, 26 Oct 2009 18:27:23 -0700, Richard W. wrote:

You should see this video from 1948.

http://nationaljuggernaut.blogspot.com/2009/09/this-cartoon-seemed-fa...

I did! Thanks! Apparently there was a lot more awareness back in those
days - 1948 is also the year when George Orwell wrote "1984." Yup, a lot
of good, smart stuff was produced around then - oh, by the way, I was
conceived in 1948! :-D

[Born 3/3/1949]
Cheers!
Rich

Ummm, well, for one thing, the car was invented in Germany in the 1890s!
Germany was an absolute monarchy then!

Steve R.

Steve - dont forget it was a cartoon designed to "educate" grade
school children, not mean to be taken literally.....

Andrew VK3BFA.

#16

On Wed, 28 Oct 2009 21:50:21 -0700 (PDT), Andrew VK3BFA
<VK3BFA (AT) wia (DOT) org.au> wrote:

Quote:

On Oct 29, 2:48 am, Rich Grise <richgr... (AT) example (DOT) net> wrote:
On Tue, 27 Oct 2009 16:08:55 -0700, Andrew VK3BFA wrote:
On Oct 27, 12:27 pm, "Richard W." <rawe... (AT) yahoo (DOT) com> wrote:
You should see this video from 1948.

http://nationaljuggernaut.blogspot.com/2009/09/this-cartoon-seemed-fa...

Absolutely fascinating! - complex socio-economic theories and practice
reduced to a 10 minute cartoon. Glad we are so much more educated and
sophisticated these days and can analyse issues on their merits rather
than continue to embrace simplistic dogma.

Is "Freedom is Better" "simplistic dogma" to you?

If you don't believe Freedom is Better, please explain how slavery is
better. Use as much space as you need:

Thanks,
Rich

Oh Goody - a semantic argument. First, define your concept of Freedom,
we may be thinking of different things. - and could you list all the
other things you wish to seek clarification on.

I rest my case - slogans over thinking. No wonder you guys are in a
mess.

Andrew VK3BFA.

Which slogans might those be?

"The sun never sets over the British Empire"?

Gunner

"I am for doing good to the poor, but I differ in opinion of the
means. I think the best way of doing good to the poor, is not
making them easy in poverty, but leading or driving them out of
it. In my youth I travelled much, and I observed in different
countries, that the more public provisions were made for the
poor the less they provided for themselves, and of course became
poorer. And, on the contrary, the less was done for them, the
more they did for themselves, and became richer." -- Benjamin
Franklin, /The Encouragement of Idleness/, 1766

#17

On Oct 29, 3:29 pm, Gunner Asch <gun... (AT) NOSPAMlightspeed (DOT) net> wrote:

Quote:

On Wed, 28 Oct 2009 21:50:21 -0700 (PDT), Andrew VK3BFA

VK3... (AT) wia (DOT) org.au> wrote:
On Oct 29, 2:48 am, Rich Grise <richgr... (AT) example (DOT) net> wrote:
On Tue, 27 Oct 2009 16:08:55 -0700, Andrew VK3BFA wrote:
On Oct 27, 12:27 pm, "Richard W." <rawe... (AT) yahoo (DOT) com> wrote:
You should see this video from 1948.

http://nationaljuggernaut.blogspot.com/2009/09/this-cartoon-seemed-fa...

Absolutely fascinating! - complex socio-economic theories and practice
reduced to a 10 minute cartoon. Glad we are so much more educated and
sophisticated these days and can analyse issues on their merits rather
than continue to embrace simplistic dogma.

Is "Freedom is Better" "simplistic dogma" to you?

If you don't believe Freedom is Better, please explain how slavery is
better. Use as much space as you need:

Thanks,
Rich

Oh Goody - a semantic argument. First, define your concept of Freedom,
we may be thinking of different things. - and could you list all the
other things you wish to seek clarification on.

I rest my case - slogans over thinking. No wonder you guys are in a
mess.

Andrew VK3BFA.

Which slogans might those be?

"The sun never sets over the British Empire"?

Gunner

"I am for doing good to the poor, but I differ in opinion of the
means. I think the best way of doing good to the poor, is not
making them easy in poverty, but leading or driving them out of
it. In my youth I travelled much, and I observed in different
countries, that the more public provisions were made for the
poor the less they provided for themselves, and of course became
poorer. And, on the contrary, the less was done for them, the
more they did for themselves, and became richer." -- Benjamin
Franklin, /The Encouragement of Idleness/, 1766

I love the way you can succinctly and cogently address issues - its a
tribute to your intellectual prowess.
Andrew VK3BFA.

#18

On Wed, 28 Oct 2009 21:50:21 -0700, Andrew VK3BFA wrote:

Quote:

On Oct 29, 2:48 am, Rich Grise <richgr... (AT) example (DOT) net> wrote:

Is "Freedom is Better" "simplistic dogma" to you?

If you don't believe Freedom is Better, please explain how slavery is
better. Use as much space as you need:

Oh Goody - a semantic argument. First, define your concept of Freedom, we
may be thinking of different things. - and could you list all the other
things you wish to seek clarification on.

I rest my case - slogans over thinking. No wonder you guys are in a mess.

Are you saying that you don't know the difference between freedom and
slavery?

Freedom means you make your own decisions, and accept the consequences.

Slavery means somebody else makes all your decisions for you and you're
stuck with whatever they give you.

Hope This Helps!
Rich

#19

In article <pan.2009.10.29.19.20.04.123319 (AT) example (DOT) net>,
Richard the Dreaded Libertarian <freedom_guy (AT) example (DOT) net> wrote:

Quote:

On Wed, 28 Oct 2009 21:50:21 -0700, Andrew VK3BFA wrote:

On Oct 29, 2:48 am, Rich Grise <richgr... (AT) example (DOT) net> wrote:

Is "Freedom is Better" "simplistic dogma" to you?

If you don't believe Freedom is Better, please explain how slavery is
better. Use as much space as you need:

Oh Goody - a semantic argument. First, define your concept of Freedom, we
may be thinking of different things. - and could you list all the other
things you wish to seek clarification on.

I rest my case - slogans over thinking. No wonder you guys are in a mess.

Are you saying that you don't know the difference between freedom and
slavery?

Freedom means you make your own decisions, and accept the consequences.

Slavery means somebody else makes all your decisions for you and you're
stuck with whatever they give you.

And you still take the consequences.