OT: For Cathy F

#31

"Hachiroku ????" <Trueno (AT) AE86 (DOT) gts> wrote

Quote:

On Sat, 12 May 2007 20:25:21 +0000, JoeSpareBedroom wrote:

"Scott in Florida" <askifyouwant (AT) mindspring (DOT) net> wrote in message
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Proof can be seen at any fast food place.

Hell they can't even make change without that fucking computer. .
....and they don't HAVE to memorize the times tables anymore.

What louse crap our education system is.

Flush the whole damned thing and start over!

--
Scott in Florida

These things are the fault of the parents. Parents just like you.

BULLSHIT! I made SURE my kids read, and knew the multiplication tables,
and were able to THINK rather than rely on a machine to think for them!
*I* had to make up for what the "Education System" was lacking!

Did your kids turn out badly, even with you reinforcing the need to learn?

#32

"Cathy F." <clfr (AT) adelphiadotdedot (DOT) net> wrote

Quote:

"Hachiroku ????" <Trueno (AT) AE86 (DOT) gts> wrote in message
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On Sat, 12 May 2007 20:25:21 +0000, JoeSpareBedroom wrote:

"Scott in Florida" <askifyouwant (AT) mindspring (DOT) net> wrote in message
news:d68c43lancehpkd1an3b59fik40eiqa301 (AT) 4ax (DOT) com...

Proof can be seen at any fast food place.

Hell they can't even make change without that fucking computer. .
....and they don't HAVE to memorize the times tables anymore.

What louse crap our education system is.

Flush the whole damned thing and start over!

--
Scott in Florida

These things are the fault of the parents. Parents just like you.

BULLSHIT! I made SURE my kids read, and knew the multiplication tables,
and were able to THINK rather than rely on a machine to think for them!
*I* had to make up for what the "Education System" was lacking!

Excuse me, but I teach my kids (students) to read & we are presently
reviewing the mult./div. tables (& doing equivalent fractions) in Math.
Yesterday, when reviewing the doubles, I intro-ed them to "x" squared &
square roots, just for funsies. The concept is very easy, but it's
certainly not in the third gr. curriculum, so they got all excited - big
kid stuff (I think it's in the 5th gr. curriculum). And now they 'get'
what that one key is, on calculators. ;-) reading: besides decoding &
fluency, of course we do literal comprehension. But inferential thinking,
compare/contrast, etc. is required, though not all of them are truly ready
for it yet.

Cathy

Can most of them match singular & plural verbs & nouns in their writing yet?

#33

"Scott in Florida" <askifyouwant (AT) mindspring (DOT) net> wrote

Quote:

On Sun, 13 May 2007 00:36:59 -0400, "Cathy F."
clfr (AT) adelphiadotdedot (DOT) net> wrote:

we are presently
reviewing the mult./div. tables

Reviewing?

Do the KNOW them?

--
Scott in Florida

Judging by what I see among the teenagers, nope. They can't even figure
change. If I give them 20.13 for a 5.13 bill, they hand me back the change
and give me 14.87. I learned how to properly count change back in THIRD
GRADE. I learned how to work multiplication tables and multiple
multiplications in THIRD GRADE. We never had to review the times tables
after that, it was assumed that we knew them. As a matter of fact, after
working in the real world a few years, I got so good at math that I got a
PERFECT score on my first Accouting test, which really skewed the curve.
But as I explained to the teacher, the boss expects me to be RIGHT all the
time in the real world. 60% is not a passing grade in life. I probably
could have CLEP'd out of the first Accounting Class, most of what I studied
I'd already studied in life.

How like a liberal. I disagree with her opinion, so I'm the ignorant boor
from Flyover country. We ought to put the liberals in their own country and
see how long they last before they don't have us to support their
tomfoolishness anymore.

Liberals are:

Elitist, they think they know better than people that disagree with them.
Advocates of Big Government. We know better so we ought to dictate from on
high.
Advocates of the current public school mess, so they can indoctriante our
youth with their crap.

Charles of Schaumburg.

#34

"Scott in Florida" <askifyouwant (AT) mindspring (DOT) net> wrote

Quote:

On Sun, 13 May 2007 00:38:24 -0400, "Cathy F."
clfr (AT) adelphiadotdedot (DOT) net> wrote:

A LOT has happened, re: curriculum/standards in the last 10 years.

Cathy

It sure shows up in the end product.

You people are doing a TERRIBLE job!

--
Scott in Florida

They're too busy doing JUST EXACTLY what Pink Floyd was talking about.
Thought control. Now with their hate crime (question, name me a crime that
isn't done with a motive of hate?) rules they are attempting to create
"Thought Police".

May they rot in HELL for what they've done to the kids.

But whoso shall offend one of these little ones which believe in me, it were
better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and that he were
drowned in the depth of the sea. (Matthew 18:6)

Charles of Schaumburg

#35

On Sun, 13 May 2007 08:07:20 -0500, "n5hsr" <n5hsr (AT) comcast (DOT) net> wrote:

Quote:

They can't even figure
change. If I give them 20.13 for a 5.13 bill, they hand me back the change
and give me 14.87

I've given up, except in places like the Amish vegetable stand. They
know how to give change and appreciate a little extra effort to reduce
the 'silver' they have to give.

I wonder if the Amish have their own schools?

hmmmmmmmmmmmmm

They DO!!!!

--
Scott in Florida

#36

"dbu.," <question*mark (AT) einp (DOT) com> wrote

Quote:

In article <8eKdnX4lBPTAkNrbnZ2dnUVZ_oernZ2d (AT) comcast (DOT) com>,
"n5hsr" <n5hsr (AT) comcast (DOT) net> wrote:

"Scott in Florida" <askifyouwant (AT) mindspring (DOT) net> wrote in message
news:hs0e43ta3np45di930brk342s6ht00i2ng (AT) 4ax (DOT) com...
On Sun, 13 May 2007 00:36:59 -0400, "Cathy F."
clfr (AT) adelphiadotdedot (DOT) net> wrote:

we are presently
reviewing the mult./div. tables

Reviewing?

Do the KNOW them?

--
Scott in Florida

Judging by what I see among the teenagers, nope. They can't even figure
change. If I give them 20.13 for a 5.13 bill, they hand me back the
change
and give me 14.87. I learned how to properly count change back in THIRD
GRADE. I learned how to work multiplication tables and multiple
multiplications in THIRD GRADE. We never had to review the times tables
after that, it was assumed that we knew them. As a matter of fact, after
working in the real world a few years, I got so good at math that I got a
PERFECT score on my first Accouting test, which really skewed the curve.
But as I explained to the teacher, the boss expects me to be RIGHT all
the
time in the real world. 60% is not a passing grade in life. I probably
could have CLEP'd out of the first Accounting Class, most of what I
studied
I'd already studied in life.

How like a liberal. I disagree with her opinion, so I'm the ignorant
boor
from Flyover country. We ought to put the liberals in their own country
and
see how long they last before they don't have us to support their
tomfoolishness anymore.

Liberals are:

Elitist, they think they know better than people that disagree with them.
Advocates of Big Government. We know better so we ought to dictate from
on
high.
Advocates of the current public school mess, so they can indoctriante our
youth with their crap.

Charles of Schaumburg.

A couple years ago, I got short-changed at a U.S.P.S service center, yes
that's right at our ever dependable U.S. Postal service. I handed a $20
dollar bill and received change back for a ten. I can't prove it, but I
think it was intentional. I demanded my correct change, she wouldn't
give it up, I threatened to call the police because even though they
said they would get back to me, once I left the place I could kiss my
money goodby. Finally another woman who was standing in line came
forward and said she saw me give her a $20 bill. When I got home I
called the US Postal inspector and reported the incident and suggested
they give a course in money handling. Now I see that whenever I put
cash down on the counter, the person leaves the bill on the counter
until the change is given. That is the way it should be and not hidden
away in the till.

I watch other people at various store check out counters and most of
them don't even look at their change. I suspect short changing is going
on quite a bit. It will decrease with time as more and more people use
debit cards. I'm using one most of the time now rather than cash or
check.
--

Thank our wonderful public edjucashun system. At least when I was a kid, we
were taught how to do things right. And were also taught that doing things
wrong was wrong. Now with their freekin situantional ethinics (The hippies
said, if it feels good, do it. Now they teach our kids there is no such
thing as true truth.) they probably don't even feel bad that they did
wrong.

Thanks.

Charles of Schaumburg

Charles of Schaumburg.

#37

On Sun, 13 May 2007 09:02:33 -0500, "dbu.," <question*mark (AT) einp (DOT) com>
wrote:

Quote:

In article <8eKdnX4lBPTAkNrbnZ2dnUVZ_oernZ2d (AT) comcast (DOT) com>,
"n5hsr" <n5hsr (AT) comcast (DOT) net> wrote:

"Scott in Florida" <askifyouwant (AT) mindspring (DOT) net> wrote in message
news:hs0e43ta3np45di930brk342s6ht00i2ng (AT) 4ax (DOT) com...
On Sun, 13 May 2007 00:36:59 -0400, "Cathy F."
clfr (AT) adelphiadotdedot (DOT) net> wrote:

we are presently
reviewing the mult./div. tables

Reviewing?

Do the KNOW them?

--
Scott in Florida

Judging by what I see among the teenagers, nope. They can't even figure
change. If I give them 20.13 for a 5.13 bill, they hand me back the change
and give me 14.87. I learned how to properly count change back in THIRD
GRADE. I learned how to work multiplication tables and multiple
multiplications in THIRD GRADE. We never had to review the times tables
after that, it was assumed that we knew them. As a matter of fact, after
working in the real world a few years, I got so good at math that I got a
PERFECT score on my first Accouting test, which really skewed the curve.
But as I explained to the teacher, the boss expects me to be RIGHT all the
time in the real world. 60% is not a passing grade in life. I probably
could have CLEP'd out of the first Accounting Class, most of what I studied
I'd already studied in life.

How like a liberal. I disagree with her opinion, so I'm the ignorant boor
from Flyover country. We ought to put the liberals in their own country and
see how long they last before they don't have us to support their
tomfoolishness anymore.

Liberals are:

Elitist, they think they know better than people that disagree with them.
Advocates of Big Government. We know better so we ought to dictate from on
high.
Advocates of the current public school mess, so they can indoctriante our
youth with their crap.

Charles of Schaumburg.

A couple years ago, I got short-changed at a U.S.P.S service center, yes
that's right at our ever dependable U.S. Postal service. I handed a $20
dollar bill and received change back for a ten. I can't prove it, but I
think it was intentional. I demanded my correct change, she wouldn't
give it up, I threatened to call the police because even though they
said they would get back to me, once I left the place I could kiss my
money goodby. Finally another woman who was standing in line came
forward and said she saw me give her a $20 bill. When I got home I
called the US Postal inspector and reported the incident and suggested
they give a course in money handling. Now I see that whenever I put
cash down on the counter, the person leaves the bill on the counter
until the change is given. That is the way it should be and not hidden
away in the till.

I watch other people at various store check out counters and most of
them don't even look at their change. I suspect short changing is going
on quite a bit. It will decrease with time as more and more people use
debit cards. I'm using one most of the time now rather than cash or
check.

To use a debit card you have to press 1 for English....LOL

--
Scott in Florida

#38

"n5hsr" <n5hsr (AT) comcast (DOT) net> wrote

Quote:

"Scott in Florida" <askifyouwant (AT) mindspring (DOT) net> wrote in message
news:sj0e43dggcfoh4mj47pfv4hgk6ec9apirv (AT) 4ax (DOT) com...
On Sun, 13 May 2007 00:38:24 -0400, "Cathy F."
clfr (AT) adelphiadotdedot (DOT) net> wrote:

A LOT has happened, re: curriculum/standards in the last 10 years.

Cathy

It sure shows up in the end product.

You people are doing a TERRIBLE job!

--
Scott in Florida

They're too busy doing JUST EXACTLY what Pink Floyd was talking about.
Thought control. Now with their hate crime (question, name me a crime
that isn't done with a motive of hate?) rules they are attempting to
create "Thought Police".

May they rot in HELL for what they've done to the kids.

There's that good Christian attitude shining through again.

Cathy

Quote:

But whoso shall offend one of these little ones which believe in me, it
were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and that
he were drowned in the depth of the sea. (Matthew 18:6)

Charles of Schaumburg

#39

n5hsr wrote:

Quote:

I've watched public education go down the tubes since 1962, when we got hit
with the Baltimore decision.

School prayer has nothing to do with it.

Quote:

What we need to do is ban the NEA from having any further
effect on education and ban them from being 'the teacher's
union'. The only way to do that is to close ALL of the public
schools.

Since public schools cost less than half as much as good private
schools, how are we going to fund a purely private system that the
poor can't afford by themselves? Charter schools have been shown to
provide no improvement, and school voucher laws place no fee caps and
are therefore little more than subsidies for high-priced academies.

Quote:

NEA opposes home schooling. Why? From what I've seen, most home schooled
kids are smarter than the public school kids.

Is that based on purely anecdotal evidence?

Quote:

So I've come to the conclusion that the NEA is if not outright loyal to the
Communist Party of the USA, at least a fellow traveler, aka pinko,

Hello? The Soviet Union collapsed, and you want to remake the Worker's
Paradise over here? Get a clue. Buy a vowel. Call Vanna White.

The USSR is a bad example for your argument, and from our experience
with hiring Russian emigrants in Europe, the Russian school system was
so academically rigorous that the average Russian high school graduate
was as proficient at math as the average American college graduate who
didn't major in science or math.

#40

"JoeSpareBedroom" <dishborealis (AT) yahoo (DOT) com> wrote

Quote:

"Cathy F." <clfr (AT) adelphiadotdedot (DOT) net> wrote in message
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"Hachiroku ????" <Trueno (AT) AE86 (DOT) gts> wrote in message
news:O7w1i.2134$R97.1884 (AT) trndny03 (DOT) ..
On Sat, 12 May 2007 20:25:21 +0000, JoeSpareBedroom wrote:

"Scott in Florida" <askifyouwant (AT) mindspring (DOT) net> wrote in message
news:d68c43lancehpkd1an3b59fik40eiqa301 (AT) 4ax (DOT) com...

Proof can be seen at any fast food place.

Hell they can't even make change without that fucking computer. .
....and they don't HAVE to memorize the times tables anymore.

What louse crap our education system is.

Flush the whole damned thing and start over!

--
Scott in Florida

These things are the fault of the parents. Parents just like you.

BULLSHIT! I made SURE my kids read, and knew the multiplication tables,
and were able to THINK rather than rely on a machine to think for them!
*I* had to make up for what the "Education System" was lacking!

Excuse me, but I teach my kids (students) to read & we are presently
reviewing the mult./div. tables (& doing equivalent fractions) in Math.
Yesterday, when reviewing the doubles, I intro-ed them to "x" squared &
square roots, just for funsies. The concept is very easy, but it's
certainly not in the third gr. curriculum, so they got all excited - big
kid stuff (I think it's in the 5th gr. curriculum). And now they 'get'
what that one key is, on calculators. ;-) reading: besides decoding &
fluency, of course we do literal comprehension. But inferential
thinking, compare/contrast, etc. is required, though not all of them are
truly ready for it yet.

Cathy

Can most of them match singular & plural verbs & nouns in their writing
yet?

Yes. That sort of grammar/usage seems to come naturally - as long as it's
spoken correctly in their daily lives.

Cathy

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