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Default Re: OT Are Cell Phones the blame? - 04-15-2007 , 01:14 PM






If not for my phone I could only get on the net when I'm at home

mike


"Scott in Florida" <askifyouwant (AT) mindspring (DOT) net> wrote

Quote:
http://news.independent.co.uk/enviro...cle2449968.ece

I'd be happy to give mine up.....would you?

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Jeff
 
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Default Re: OT Are Cell Phones the blame? - 04-15-2007 , 01:35 PM







"Scott in Florida" <askifyouwant (AT) mindspring (DOT) net> wrote

Quote:
http://news.independent.co.uk/enviro...cle2449968.ece

I'd be happy to give mine up.....would you?
The storey says, "Late last week, some bee-keepers claimed that the
phenomenon - which started in the US, then spread to continental Europe -
was beginning to hit Britain as well."

Well, unless Britain has not had cell phones until very recently, I would
say that the conjecture that cell phones or cell phone towers disrupt
pollunation is incorrect. AFAIK, the usuage of cell phones in the US, Europe
and UK occurred at about the same time.

In addition, if this conjecture is correct, there should be fewer effects
seen in areas with fewer cell phone towers. And there are areas of the US
and probably Europe with little or no cell phone coverage. There might also
be fewer effects right under cell phone towers because cell phone towers
have their antennae designed so that the radiation spreads outward, rather
than equally in all directions. So the amount of radiation is less right
under the towers (which is also a good reason to locate cell phone towers
near or over schools).

So the conjecture should be easy to test.

Jeff

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Bruce L. Bergman
 
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Default Re: OT Are Cell Phones the blame? - 04-15-2007 , 02:09 PM



On Sun, 15 Apr 2007 11:09:03 -0500, "dbu.," <question*mark (AT) einp (DOT) com>
wrote:
Quote:
In article <PZadnXn-WZM33L_bnZ2dnUVZ_s6onZ2d (AT) trueband (DOT) net>,
"Ph@Boy" <user (AT) example (DOT) net> wrote:
Scott in Florida wrote:

http://news.independent.co.uk/enviro...cle2449968.ece
I'd be happy to give mine up.....would you?
You can pry my cellphone from my... No. I might cut my usage if
they find an actual cause and effect link, but I ain't givin' it up -
it's a safety issue.

Try finding a payphone when you need one - they're practically
extinct. And businesses have been burned too many times with scams
(like a customer asking to call a "Toll-Free" number that really
isn't) so they are very reluctant to let you use their phones.

Quote:
That was an interesting article Scott. A long time ago, I used to raise
bees, and harvest their honey. It's alot of work and the bees are very
sensitive to outside disturbances. Hives must be moved at night when all
of the members of that hive are in it, if done during daylight you will
loose all the bees out of the hive at that time because they use the
sun's position for navigation to and from chosen points, most
importantly, back to the hive. Even if you move it only a few feet. In
winter months you must feed them a mix of powdered sugar and penicillin
to help ward off any disease that they may contract. Each hive has a
different personality derived from the queen, and you learn how far you
can go with each. Wax moths are their nemesis, destroying young bee
larvae and chewing tunnels and holes throughout the entire hive. The wax
moth larvae can live in the hives for a very long time and you have to
first, relocate whats left of the entire hive, disassemble each hive and
it's components and literally use a metal pick to remove wax moth
larvae. Cleaning out an infestation is a really a bad job. Maybe it is,
but I would be skeptical that cell phone usage is a problem since they
are so sensitive to other biological forces that I have experienced
first hand. IMHO.
And one of these other odd factors is probably behind the colony
disappearances. They probably got caught in an Africanized Bee Swarm
Trap and were dead before they were found and could get a reprieve.

Quote:
I remember quit a few years ago an entire hive of bees wound up on a
airplane boarding ramp in the middle of a aircraft parking area. It was
a hugh mess of bees, if I remember I think we called a local beekeeper
and they came out and removed all of them. Why would bees do something
like that?
They swarm to start new hives. The old hive raises a second queen,
and as soon as she can fly the hive splits in two - one queen leaves
and takes roughly half the workers and drones with her. (If they get
confused and all leave, it could cause the condition above...)

They form a big ball like that when the swarm stops for the night to
conserve warmth. When they find a suitable hole or hollow to build a
new permanent hive, they settle in.

The local Agricultural Commission sets out swarm traps (see above)
trying to catch the Africanized bees - it's a 5-gallon plastic bucket
with a hole in the lid, and inside there's a ball on a string with the
starting base of a comb and a triangular plug for the entrance hole.

When the queen and the rest of the swarm thinks they've found a
beautiful hive location they settle in and start building new wax
combs on the base. Their massed weight breaks the string and the plug
closes the entrance, trapping the queen and majority of the worker
bees inside.

--<< Bruce >>--



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Jeff Strickland
 
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Default Re: OT Are Cell Phones the blame? - 04-15-2007 , 02:56 PM



How long ago was it that the Problem du Jour was the advance of bees from
Africa and South America into the northern hemisphere?





"Scott in Florida" <askifyouwant (AT) mindspring (DOT) net> wrote

Quote:
http://news.independent.co.uk/enviro...cle2449968.ece

I'd be happy to give mine up.....would you?

--

Scott in Florida





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mack
 
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Default Re: OT Are Cell Phones the blame? - 04-15-2007 , 03:20 PM




"Cathy F." <clfr (AT) adelphiadot (DOT) net> wrote

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People who walk arounsd w/one glued to their ear... that I don't get.

Cathy

I can't count the number of times I've seen people shopping in the
supermarket and yakking on the cellphone....and have heard people calling
home to ask, "should I get a half-gallon of milk or a gallon?"
....and "should I get cheddar or swiss...or provolone?"
Jeez, rent some smarts and ask before you leave home!

I'm overjoyed that the FAA has proclaimed that cellphone use on a plane is
still verboten. Imagine being in the seat next to someone who just 'has
to' keep in touch with friends and family for the entire length of your
trip! It's a good thing airplane windows don't open, or there'd be people
thrown overboard.




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Default Re: OT Are Cell Phones the blame? - 04-15-2007 , 03:25 PM




"Jeff" <news (AT) googlemail (DOT) com> wrote

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"Scott in Florida" <askifyouwant (AT) mindspring (DOT) net> wrote in message
news:q1a423dnst87a4vf5h09tfeu2i7rj36og6 (AT) 4ax (DOT) com...
http://news.independent.co.uk/enviro...cle2449968.ece

I'd be happy to give mine up.....would you?

The storey says, "Late last week, some bee-keepers claimed that the
phenomenon - which started in the US, then spread to continental Europe -
was beginning to hit Britain as well."

Well, unless Britain has not had cell phones until very recently, I would
say that the conjecture that cell phones or cell phone towers disrupt
pollunation is incorrect. AFAIK, the usuage of cell phones in the US,
Europe and UK occurred at about the same time.
When we were in England in 1998, there were seemingly many MORE people with
phones up to their ears than in the US. One day walking in London, I
counted people with phones (connected, that is, to someone and talking)
and the first fourteen pedestrians I looked at had them to their ears, and
the fifteenth walked with hands at his sides, with no phone in evidence!




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Scott in Florida
 
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Default Re: OT Are Cell Phones the blame? - 04-15-2007 , 04:36 PM



On Sun, 15 Apr 2007 18:09:09 GMT, Bruce L. Bergman
<blnospambergman (AT) earthlink (DOT) invalid> wrote:

Quote:
On Sun, 15 Apr 2007 11:09:03 -0500, "dbu.," <question*mark (AT) einp (DOT) com
wrote:
In article <PZadnXn-WZM33L_bnZ2dnUVZ_s6onZ2d (AT) trueband (DOT) net>,
"Ph@Boy" <user (AT) example (DOT) net> wrote:
Scott in Florida wrote:

http://news.independent.co.uk/enviro...cle2449968.ece
I'd be happy to give mine up.....would you?

You can pry my cellphone from my... No. I might cut my usage if
they find an actual cause and effect link, but I ain't givin' it up -
it's a safety issue.

Try finding a payphone when you need one - they're practically
extinct. And businesses have been burned too many times with scams
(like a customer asking to call a "Toll-Free" number that really
isn't) so they are very reluctant to let you use their phones.
The pay phone would come back if cell phones are reduced.

That is market driven.


Quote:
That was an interesting article Scott. A long time ago, I used to raise
bees, and harvest their honey. It's alot of work and the bees are very
sensitive to outside disturbances. Hives must be moved at night when all
of the members of that hive are in it, if done during daylight you will
loose all the bees out of the hive at that time because they use the
sun's position for navigation to and from chosen points, most
importantly, back to the hive. Even if you move it only a few feet. In
winter months you must feed them a mix of powdered sugar and penicillin
to help ward off any disease that they may contract. Each hive has a
different personality derived from the queen, and you learn how far you
can go with each. Wax moths are their nemesis, destroying young bee
larvae and chewing tunnels and holes throughout the entire hive. The wax
moth larvae can live in the hives for a very long time and you have to
first, relocate whats left of the entire hive, disassemble each hive and
it's components and literally use a metal pick to remove wax moth
larvae. Cleaning out an infestation is a really a bad job. Maybe it is,
but I would be skeptical that cell phone usage is a problem since they
are so sensitive to other biological forces that I have experienced
first hand. IMHO.

And one of these other odd factors is probably behind the colony
disappearances. They probably got caught in an Africanized Bee Swarm
Trap and were dead before they were found and could get a reprieve.

I remember quit a few years ago an entire hive of bees wound up on a
airplane boarding ramp in the middle of a aircraft parking area. It was
a hugh mess of bees, if I remember I think we called a local beekeeper
and they came out and removed all of them. Why would bees do something
like that?

They swarm to start new hives. The old hive raises a second queen,
and as soon as she can fly the hive splits in two - one queen leaves
and takes roughly half the workers and drones with her. (If they get
confused and all leave, it could cause the condition above...)

They form a big ball like that when the swarm stops for the night to
conserve warmth. When they find a suitable hole or hollow to build a
new permanent hive, they settle in.

The local Agricultural Commission sets out swarm traps (see above)
trying to catch the Africanized bees - it's a 5-gallon plastic bucket
with a hole in the lid, and inside there's a ball on a string with the
starting base of a comb and a triangular plug for the entrance hole.

When the queen and the rest of the swarm thinks they've found a
beautiful hive location they settle in and start building new wax
combs on the base. Their massed weight breaks the string and the plug
closes the entrance, trapping the queen and majority of the worker
bees inside.

--<< Bruce >>--
--

Scott in Florida





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Mike Hunter
 
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Default Re: OT Are Cell Phones the blame? - 04-16-2007 , 12:30 PM



Perhaps once we look deeper we may discover the effect is caused by the
current increases in the number and intensity of sun flairs. There are
those scientist that believe sun flairs are the cause of the current climate
change as well as the effect on microwave transmissions from cell phone,
commutation satellites and the ever growing number microwave land line
telephone transmissions.

Few people realize it was a gigantic sun flair that caused the huge power
outage in Canada and the northeast as well as the failure of many
communication satellites, a few years ago.

mike

"Jeff" <news (AT) googlemail (DOT) com> wrote

Quote:
In addition, if this conjecture is correct, there should be fewer effects
seen in areas with fewer cell phone towers. And there are areas of the US
and probably Europe with little or no cell phone coverage. There might
also be fewer effects right under cell phone towers because cell phone
towers have their antennae designed so that the radiation spreads outward,
rather than equally in all directions. So the amount of radiation is less
right under the towers (which is also a good reason to locate cell phone
towers near or over schools).

So the conjecture should be easy to test.

Jeff




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