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| "dbu.," <question*mark (AT) einp (DOT) com> wrote in message news:question*mark-7C341F.14395425042007 (AT) comcast (DOT) dca.giganews.com... In article <QjMXh.10430$no.4585@trnddc02>, "Truckdude" <shrub (AT) thedeecider (DOT) com> wrote: "dbu.," <question*mark (AT) einp (DOT) com> wrote in message news:question*mark-B4C657.17223124042007 (AT) comcast (DOT) dca.giganews.com... In article <462e5e7e$0$16311$88260bb3 (AT) free (DOT) teranews.com>, "DH" <dh (AT) stargate (DOT) com> wrote: But, anyway, thanks for reminding us that, of the two major Presidential Candidates of 2004, Kerry served in Vietnam and Bush didn't. So what? I served in Vietnam and Clinton didn't. In fact, clinton didn't serve at all, he got a big shot democrat senator to get him a deferment. How republican of him! At least Bush served. He was a command pilot on an F-102 high performance jet fighter-interceptor. Zip your pants back up. Due to his daddy's influence, he flew it over Texas, when he bothered to show up. Read a few of the autobiographies of the pilots shot down over Vietnam and then get back to me. What did clinton do, hung out, smoked a little weed and did some women. K00L. -- Clinton took a stand and protested the war. Kerry volunteered to go fight in Vietnam. In my opinion Bush took the wishy-washy middle ground. And what did you do during the war little one? -- I was born in 1965. I joined the Army in the summer of '83 (delayed entry) and went off to basic training summer of '84. |
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btw flying a fighter is NOT getting out of anything. LOTS of people get killed just in training.... I am sure they do. Regardless, you can't use influence to get into a non-deploying Guard unit during war time and pretend that it is all the same. |
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On Thu, 26 Apr 2007 00:47:03 GMT, "Truckdude" <shrub (AT) thedeecider (DOT) com wrote: "Scott in Florida" <askifyouwant (AT) mindspring (DOT) net> wrote in message news:mfbv23lnomvm7r3foafr2hl0jn43httu6v (AT) 4ax (DOT) com... On Wed, 25 Apr 2007 17:35:44 GMT, "Truckdude" <shrub (AT) thedeecider (DOT) com wrote: Zip your pants back up. Due to his daddy's influence, he flew it over Texas, when he bothered to show up. Read a few of the autobiographies of the pilots shot down over Vietnam and then get back to me. You are full of it.... Since you are a nurse....I'd suggest you get rid of your own problem.... btw flying a fighter is NOT getting out of anything. LOTS of people get killed just in training.... I am sure they do. Regardless, you can't use influence to get into a non-deploying Guard unit during war time and pretend that it is all the same. GWB didn't use influence.... |
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I was born in 1965. I joined the Army in the summer of '83 (delayed entry) and went off to basic training summer of '84. |
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| "dbu.," <question*mark (AT) einp (DOT) com> wrote in message news:question*mark-7C341F.14395425042007 (AT) comcast (DOT) dca.giganews.com... In article <QjMXh.10430$no.4585@trnddc02>, "Truckdude" <shrub (AT) thedeecider (DOT) com> wrote: "dbu.," <question*mark (AT) einp (DOT) com> wrote in message news:question*mark-B4C657.17223124042007 (AT) comcast (DOT) dca.giganews.com... In article <462e5e7e$0$16311$88260bb3 (AT) free (DOT) teranews.com>, "DH" <dh (AT) stargate (DOT) com> wrote: But, anyway, thanks for reminding us that, of the two major Presidential Candidates of 2004, Kerry served in Vietnam and Bush didn't. So what? I served in Vietnam and Clinton didn't. In fact, clinton didn't serve at all, he got a big shot democrat senator to get him a deferment. How republican of him! At least Bush served. He was a command pilot on an F-102 high performance jet fighter-interceptor. Zip your pants back up. Due to his daddy's influence, he flew it over Texas, when he bothered to show up. Read a few of the autobiographies of the pilots shot down over Vietnam and then get back to me. What did clinton do, hung out, smoked a little weed and did some women. K00L. -- Clinton took a stand and protested the war. Kerry volunteered to go fight in Vietnam. In my opinion Bush took the wishy-washy middle ground. And what did you do during the war little one? -- I was born in 1965. I joined the Army in the summer of '83 (delayed entry) and went off to basic training summer of '84. |
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Are you referring to Clinton? He was not in the NG, he was over in England |
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until the war in Nam was over mike "Truckdude" <shrub (AT) thedeecider (DOT) com> wrote in message news:bESXh.10411$Fs6.7711 (AT) trnddc03 (DOT) .. btw flying a fighter is NOT getting out of anything. LOTS of people get killed just in training.... I am sure they do. Regardless, you can't use influence to get into a non-deploying Guard unit during war time and pretend that it is all the same. |
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| "Scott in Florida" <askifyouwant (AT) mindspring (DOT) net> wrote in message news:44uv23pepcu4htcdip7losjq1eil15lt5m (AT) 4ax (DOT) com... On Thu, 26 Apr 2007 00:47:03 GMT, "Truckdude" <shrub (AT) thedeecider (DOT) com wrote: "Scott in Florida" <askifyouwant (AT) mindspring (DOT) net> wrote in message news:mfbv23lnomvm7r3foafr2hl0jn43httu6v (AT) 4ax (DOT) com... On Wed, 25 Apr 2007 17:35:44 GMT, "Truckdude" <shrub (AT) thedeecider (DOT) com wrote: Zip your pants back up. Due to his daddy's influence, he flew it over Texas, when he bothered to show up. Read a few of the autobiographies of the pilots shot down over Vietnam and then get back to me. You are full of it.... Since you are a nurse....I'd suggest you get rid of your own problem.... btw flying a fighter is NOT getting out of anything. LOTS of people get killed just in training.... I am sure they do. Regardless, you can't use influence to get into a non-deploying Guard unit during war time and pretend that it is all the same. GWB didn't use influence.... He only got the minimum passing score on the pilot aptitude exam and somehow jumped ahead of the 500 guys ahead of him on the waiting list. Thanks for playing along, though. :-) |
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On 24 Apr 2007 08:47:54 -0700, ToMh <tlh... (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote: On Apr 24, 5:13 am, Scott in Florida <askifyouw... (AT) mindspring (DOT) net wrote: On 23 Apr 2007 17:51:07 -0700, ToMh <tlh... (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote: On Apr 23, 5:32 pm, Scott in Florida <askifyouw... (AT) mindspring (DOT) net wrote: On 23 Apr 2007 17:27:31 -0700, ToMh <tlh... (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote: Kerry is a traitor and should have been tried for treason... -- Scott in Florida Sure Scotty, based on false info from a bunch of lying assholes. Sorry for your ignorance. Based on FACTS.... In your mind, anybody with the guts to speak out against war is a traiter. Believe that the assholes in charge during the Vietnam days would have prosecuted Kerry, or any other protester in a heartbeat if they could. Face it Kerry served in Nam, Bush didn't. Kerry - served his country, Bush was just a drunken mamas boy hiding out in the National guard, who never even went on a mission after wasting all the taxpayers money training him. The Bush peple were so afraid of that that they had stoop to the dirtiest of lies and slope heads like yourself lapped it all up with glee. Kerry was a traitor and should have been prosecuted. He lied to Congress.... He met with the enemy. He is a traitor.... -- Scott in Florida No he's not. He is a patriot who had the guts to speak out against an insane war. We need more like him and less criminals like Bush. John Kerry is a traitor..... http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/ar...TICLE_ID=41106 August 22, 1966 Kerry reported for officer training program at the Naval Officer Candidate School at the U.S. Naval Training Center in Newport, Rhode Island December 16, 1966 After completing sixteen weeks of officer candidate training in Newport, Rhode Island, John Kerry received his commission as an Ensign, USNR. January 3, 1967 Kerry began a 10 week Officer Damage Control Course at the Naval Schools Command on Treasure Island, California. March 22, 1967 Kerry he reported to the U.S. Fleet Anti-Air Warfare Training Center, California for training as a Combat Information Center Watch Officer. June 8, 1967 Kerry began his first tour of duty, serving as an Ensign in the electrical department on the guided missile frigate USS Gridley. February 9, 1968 The USS Gridley set sail for Western Pacific (WESTPAC) deployment. The Gridley traveled to several places, including Wellington in New Zealand, Subic Bay in the Philippines, and the Gulf of Tonkin off North Vietnam, where the ship supported aircraft carriers. The ship had no enemy contact during this time. February 10, 1968 Kerry requested duty in Vietnam, listing as his first preference a position as the commander of a Swift boat, designated the Patrol Crafts Fast (PCFs). The 50-foot boat have aluminum hulls and have little or no armor, but are heavily armed and rely on speed. Kerry thought he could avoid actual combat serving on the Swift boats as they originally operated offshore. (Kerry's second choice was a to be an officer in a patrol boat squadron, designated the Patrol Boat River [PBR] boats.) February 17, 1968 Kerry received a telegram that his friend, Richard Pershing had died due to "wounds received while on a combat mission when his unit came under hostile small-arms and rocket attack while searching for remains of a missing member of his unit." Kerry was devastated. He wrote a letter to his parents: "What can I say? I am empty, bitter, angry and desperately lost with nothing but war, violence, and more war around me. I just don't believe that it was meant to be this cruel and senseless -- that anyone could possibly get near to Persh to take his life. What a God-damn total waste. . . . With the loss of Persh something has gone out of me -- he was so much a part of my life at the irreplaceable, incomparable moments of love, concerns, anger and compassion exchanged in Bones that can never be replaced -- never be satisfied in memory form. . . . " May 27, 1968 The USS Gridley departed to return to the United States June 8, 1968 The USS Gridley returned to port at Long Beach, California. June 16, 1968 Kerry was promoted to the rank of Lieutenant Junior Grade, USNR. June 20, 1968 Kerry left the Gridley for special training on 50-foot swift boats (used for Vietnam coastal patrol, later for inland waterways) at the Naval Amphibious Base in Coronado. November 17, 1968 U.S. Naval LieutenantJG John Kerry completed his Swift boat commander training. December 1, 1968 Kerry reported for duty at Coastal Squadron One of Coastal Division 14 at the Cam Ranh Bay in South Vietnam (a port base considered the safest assignment in Vietnam), taking command of Swift boat No. 44, operating in the Mekong Delta. December 2, 1968 Kerry experienced first intense combat, and is slightly wounded by shrapnel in the arm. He was awarded a Purple Heart. There is, however, no after-action report released by the Kerry campaign. The attending physician, Louis Letson says "The story he told was different from what his crewmen had to say about that night. According to Kerry, they had been engaged in a firefight. . . Some of his crew confided that they did not receive any fire from shore, but that Kerry had fired a mortar round at close range to some rocks on shore. The crewman thought that the injury was caused by a fragment ricocheting from that mortar round when it struck the rocks. That seemed to fit the injury which I treated. What I saw was a small piece of metal sticking very superficially in the skin of Kerry's arm. The metal fragment measured about 1 cm. in length and was about 2 or 3 mm in diameter. . .I simply removed the piece of metal by lifting it out of the skin with forceps. I doubt that it penetrated more than 3 or 4 mm. It did not require probing to find it, did not require any anesthesia to remove it, and did not require any sutures to close the wound. The wound was covered with a band-aid." Kerry applied for a Purple Heart. His request was initially denied by his superior Grant Hibbard, as Purple Heart eligibility requirements that "the wound for which the award is made must have required treatment by a medical officer" and Purple Hearts are not to be awarded for "accidents. . .not related to or caused by enemy action" or for "self-inflicted wounds. . .involving gross negligence." Hibbard later acquiesced. There is a good summary of the Kerry's medals controversy in the report: "Forging a Paper Hero: The Mystery of Kerry's Medals." (Note: In Kerry's own journal written 9 days later, he writes that he and his crew, "hadn't been shot at yet." Kerry's 2004 campaign said it is possible his first Purple Heart was awarded for unintentionally self-inflicted wounds.) December 6, 1968 Kerry was transferred to a more dangerous unit, Coastal Division 11 at An Thoi on Phu Quoc Island, an isolated base on an island near an enemy position. Kerry was opposed to this reassignment. December 13, 1968 Kerry was transferred on December 13 to Coastal Division 13 in Cat Lo, which had wider, less dangerous rivers. There he joined a unit which provided support to Zumwalt's Operation SEALORDS. December 24, 1968 Kerry claimed that he was involved in combat in waters off Cambodia during Christmas Eve of 1968. Kerry said he ordered his crew to open fire, silencing the machine gun barrage aimed at them. "I remember Christmas of 1968 sitting on a gunboat in Cambodia. I remember what it was like to be shot at by Vietnamese and Khmer Rouge and Cambodians, and have the president of the United States telling the American people that I was not there; the troops were not in Cambodia. I have that memory which is seared -- seared -- in me." (Note: Kerry has since altered his claim to say he was in Cambodia in early 1969. This claim in unsubstantiated. The story changes by the day and unfolding.) December 1968 Within a few weeks Kerry was reassigned back to An Thoi. Crewman Steve Gardner states that he filed a false after-action report to cover up a January incident involving the accidental shooting of a child. (Kerry's fellow officer George Bates similarly states that Kerry habitually overreacted to threatening situations by using excessive force, including on one occasion burning down a random village where there was no sign of enemy presence.) January 22, 1969 Kerry and other Swift boat commanders travel to Saigon for meeting with Adm. Elmo Zumwalt, Commander Naval Forces Vietnam (COMNAVFORV), and Gen. Creighton Abrams, Commander United States Military Assistance Command Vietnam (COMUSMACV) On June 6, 1971, John Kerry described the work of the Swift boats to the Washington Star as follows: "We established an American presence in most cases by showing the flag and firing at sampans and villages along the banks. Those were our instructions, but they seemed so out of line that we finally began to go ashore, against our orders, and investigate the villages that were supposed to be our targets. We discovered we were butchering a lot of innocent people, and morale became so low among the officers on those 'swift boats' that we were called back to Saigon for special instructions from Gen. Abrams. He told us we were doing the right thing. He said our efforts would help win the war in the long run. That's when I realized I could never remain silent about the realities of the war in Vietnam." January 30, 1969 Kerry took over command of the PCF-94 swift boat. February 20, 1969 Kerry and crew come under automatic weapon and rocket fire while on patrol in South Vietnam. Kerry was hit by shrapnel in his left thigh. He is awarded a second Purple Heart. (Note: Kerry's account is disputed by the Swift Boat Veterans, some of whom state there was no enemy fire.) February 28, 1969 Kerry and crew again drew intense enemy fire. Kerry ... read more » |
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On Thu, 26 Apr 2007 01:06:16 GMT, "Truckdude" <shrub (AT) thedeecider (DOT) com wrote: "Scott in Florida" <askifyouwant (AT) mindspring (DOT) net> wrote in message news:44uv23pepcu4htcdip7losjq1eil15lt5m (AT) 4ax (DOT) com... On Thu, 26 Apr 2007 00:47:03 GMT, "Truckdude" <shrub (AT) thedeecider (DOT) com wrote: "Scott in Florida" <askifyouwant (AT) mindspring (DOT) net> wrote in message news:mfbv23lnomvm7r3foafr2hl0jn43httu6v (AT) 4ax (DOT) com... On Wed, 25 Apr 2007 17:35:44 GMT, "Truckdude" <shrub (AT) thedeecider (DOT) com wrote: Zip your pants back up. Due to his daddy's influence, he flew it over Texas, when he bothered to show up. Read a few of the autobiographies of the pilots shot down over Vietnam and then get back to me. You are full of it.... Since you are a nurse....I'd suggest you get rid of your own problem.... btw flying a fighter is NOT getting out of anything. LOTS of people get killed just in training.... I am sure they do. Regardless, you can't use influence to get into a non-deploying Guard unit during war time and pretend that it is all the same. GWB didn't use influence.... He only got the minimum passing score on the pilot aptitude exam and somehow jumped ahead of the 500 guys ahead of him on the waiting list. Thanks for playing along, though. :-) Not according to the records.... Thanks for playing.... |
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| "Scott in Florida" <askifyouwant (AT) mindspring (DOT) net> wrote in message news:7e0033hs0ngjatqmro2qot8mmnsl4fouvb (AT) 4ax (DOT) com... On Thu, 26 Apr 2007 01:06:16 GMT, "Truckdude" <shrub (AT) thedeecider (DOT) com wrote: "Scott in Florida" <askifyouwant (AT) mindspring (DOT) net> wrote in message news:44uv23pepcu4htcdip7losjq1eil15lt5m (AT) 4ax (DOT) com... On Thu, 26 Apr 2007 00:47:03 GMT, "Truckdude" <shrub (AT) thedeecider (DOT) com wrote: "Scott in Florida" <askifyouwant (AT) mindspring (DOT) net> wrote in message news:mfbv23lnomvm7r3foafr2hl0jn43httu6v (AT) 4ax (DOT) com... On Wed, 25 Apr 2007 17:35:44 GMT, "Truckdude" <shrub (AT) thedeecider (DOT) com wrote: Zip your pants back up. Due to his daddy's influence, he flew it over Texas, when he bothered to show up. Read a few of the autobiographies of the pilots shot down over Vietnam and then get back to me. You are full of it.... Since you are a nurse....I'd suggest you get rid of your own problem.... btw flying a fighter is NOT getting out of anything. LOTS of people get killed just in training.... I am sure they do. Regardless, you can't use influence to get into a non-deploying Guard unit during war time and pretend that it is all the same. GWB didn't use influence.... He only got the minimum passing score on the pilot aptitude exam and somehow jumped ahead of the 500 guys ahead of him on the waiting list. Thanks for playing along, though. :-) Not according to the records.... Thanks for playing.... Whatever you do, DO NOT google "bush national guard wait list"! You are fun, though! :-) |
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