OT# Hey Scott in Florida

#11

"Leythos" <Void (AT) nowhere (DOT) lan> wrote

Quote:

On Fri, 20 Apr 2007 21:39:19 -0400, Cathy F. wrote:

but I do
complain when I see something adopted which hasn't been well thought
out.

Like carbon credits, like mans impact on global warming, like the failure
to see the solar impact on global warming...

Carbon credits can work. For carbon credits to work, there has to be a real
limit. A similar idea worked with sulfur credits in the US, limiting the
amount of sulfur dioxide produced. But carbon credits where there is no real
limit on production is not a good idea.

Jeff

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#12

"Hachiroku ????" <Trueno (AT) AE86 (DOT) gts> wrote

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Quote:

I wouldn't complain against a legitimate fee for proper disposal, but I
do
complain when I see something adopted which hasn't been well thought out.

Cathy

You don't own a Prius, do you? When it was first sold, there was no real
way to deal with the batteries.

I don't know if they have developed recycling for them yet or not...

There are recycling facilities that will recycle the recyclable parts of

Prius batteries. I think Toyota dealers will accept them for recycling.
--

Ray O
(correct punctuation to reply)

#13

"Hachiroku ????" <Trueno (AT) AE86 (DOT) gts> wrote

Quote:

On Fri, 20 Apr 2007 21:39:19 -0400, Cathy F. wrote:

"dbu.," <question*mark (AT) einp (DOT) com> wrote in message
news:question*mark-B4E083.20354820042007 (AT) comcast (DOT) dca.giganews.com...
In article <rbqi2316hfna9rdtup35kn9brqofg04vq7 (AT) 4ax (DOT) com>, Scott in
Florida <askifyouwant (AT) mindspring (DOT) net> wrote:

On Fri, 20 Apr 2007 14:16:03 -0400, "mark_digital©"
XXX-976 (AT) commacast (DOT) com> wrote:

What do you think of this attempt in Congress to ban incandescent
light bulbs?
I think it's a shame those who are pushing for it haven't done their
homework.

Will we have to apply for an exemption 30-60 days before Christmas?
Will we have to forego a light bulb in the microwave oven?

I think we're being LED down the wrong path I tell ya.

Those terrible bulbs contain MERCURY.

Just wait till the land fills start ruining our ground water with this
crap.

There will be a hefty user fee, then watch all the greenies complain.
LOL.

I wouldn't complain against a legitimate fee for proper disposal, but I
do
complain when I see something adopted which hasn't been well thought out.

Cathy

You don't own a Prius, do you?

No. :-( I drive a perfectly good, but rather boring, Corolla.

When it was first sold, there was no real

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way to deal with the batteries.

I don't know if they have developed recycling for them yet or not...

My guess - thinking about Toyota & their operations, would be that they have
a viable plan in place. I hope.

Cathy

Quote:

And as far as mercury, it would seem to me there should be some way to
recapture it. It's mercury vapor.

#14

"dbu.," <question*mark (AT) einp (DOT) com> wrote

Quote:

In article <38idnTw8st1rj7TbnZ2dnUVZ_jOdnZ2d (AT) comcast (DOT) com>,
"mark_digital©" <XXX-976 (AT) commacast (DOT) com> wrote:

"Jeff" <news (AT) googlemail (DOT) com> wrote in message
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"mark_digital©" <XXX-976 (AT) commacast (DOT) com> wrote in message
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What do you think of this attempt in Congress to ban incandescent
light
bulbs?
I think it's a shame those who are pushing for it haven't done their
homework.

Will we have to apply for an exemption 30-60 days before Christmas?
Will we have to forego a light bulb in the microwave oven?

I think we're being LED down the wrong path I tell ya.

Definitely.

I think it is fine that Congress set the standards, but let industry
determine the best technology to meet the standards. There should also
be
exceptions for applications where other technologies don't work, like
microwave ovens.

In addition, one of the incandescent light bulb makers is working on a
bulb that is many times more efficient than regular incandescent light
bulbs, and at least as efficient as regular light bulbs. I forget which
company, but it might be GE.

So, if Congress writes the regulations, they need to be careful in
increase innovation, not stifle it.

BTW, I think CA's legislature is working on a similar law.

Jeff

I would like to point out something I learned recently from my
electrician
when I told him my florescent tubes were failing prematurely. He said the
tubes must be kept on. (Left, instead of kept, if you like)
I use toggle wall dimmers in certain rooms and it took much effort to
educate the rest of the family as to the hazards of substituting
fluorescents I had in stock for the burned out incandescent. Will they
remember? I'm not about to spring for the even more expensive
fluorescents
that can handle variable power.

Don't use dimmers. They generate globs of RFI. Some brands are better
than others but they are all dirty.
--

Radio Frequency Interference? As far as I can tell, dimmers haven't been a
problem. Light fixture/motion detector combo units (screw detector in first
and then screw light bulb into detector) caused verifiable interference with
my FAX/phone unit and another telecommunication piece of equipment.

Like I said, dimmers haven't been a problem. As a matter of fact, every
single GE and Phillips sunlight spectrum incandescent that's connected to
the dimmers have lasted longer than any fluorescents. Dimmers extend
longevity.

I understand there's a finite limit of tungsten, so finding a good
substitute ahead of time isn't unreasonable. What is unreasonable is for the
government to get everyone excited about digital TV, and yet so far they use
many more times the amount of electricity than a typical CRT. And for every
watt that produces heat it takes two watts to cool. Some politicians may
think they are showing and advocating, but it's from the heart and not the
mind.
Are you still with me or did I lose you after the first sentence?

#15

"Cathy F." <clfr (AT) adelphiadotdedot (DOT) net> wrote

Quote:

"dbu.," <question*mark (AT) einp (DOT) com> wrote in message
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In article <rbqi2316hfna9rdtup35kn9brqofg04vq7 (AT) 4ax (DOT) com>,
Scott in Florida <askifyouwant (AT) mindspring (DOT) net> wrote:

On Fri, 20 Apr 2007 14:16:03 -0400, "mark_digital©"
XXX-976 (AT) commacast (DOT) com> wrote:

What do you think of this attempt in Congress to ban incandescent light
bulbs?
I think it's a shame those who are pushing for it haven't done their
homework.

Will we have to apply for an exemption 30-60 days before Christmas?
Will we have to forego a light bulb in the microwave oven?

I think we're being LED down the wrong path I tell ya.

Those terrible bulbs contain MERCURY.

Just wait till the land fills start ruining our ground water with this
crap.

There will be a hefty user fee, then watch all the greenies complain.
LOL.

I wouldn't complain against a legitimate fee for proper disposal, but I do
complain when I see something adopted which hasn't been well thought out.

Cathy

Since we're all in this together, there's no reason for a municipal dump to
collect extra fees. They're preying on us because we've become stupid. Let
me ask you a question. If we didn't separate plastic before it was
collected, how do you think they would do it in the most efficient way?

#16

"mark_digital©" <XXX-976 (AT) commacast (DOT) com> wrote

Quote:

"dbu.," <question*mark (AT) einp (DOT) com> wrote in message
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In article <38idnTw8st1rj7TbnZ2dnUVZ_jOdnZ2d (AT) comcast (DOT) com>,
"mark_digital©" <XXX-976 (AT) commacast (DOT) com> wrote:

"Jeff" <news (AT) googlemail (DOT) com> wrote in message
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"mark_digital©" <XXX-976 (AT) commacast (DOT) com> wrote in message
news:WsadndUY34TtnrTbnZ2dnUVZ_j6dnZ2d (AT) comcast (DOT) com...
What do you think of this attempt in Congress to ban incandescent
light
bulbs?
I think it's a shame those who are pushing for it haven't done their
homework.

Will we have to apply for an exemption 30-60 days before Christmas?
Will we have to forego a light bulb in the microwave oven?

I think we're being LED down the wrong path I tell ya.

Definitely.

I think it is fine that Congress set the standards, but let industry
determine the best technology to meet the standards. There should also
be
exceptions for applications where other technologies don't work, like
microwave ovens.

In addition, one of the incandescent light bulb makers is working on a
bulb that is many times more efficient than regular incandescent light
bulbs, and at least as efficient as regular light bulbs. I forget
which
company, but it might be GE.

So, if Congress writes the regulations, they need to be careful in
increase innovation, not stifle it.

BTW, I think CA's legislature is working on a similar law.

Jeff

I would like to point out something I learned recently from my
electrician
when I told him my florescent tubes were failing prematurely. He said
the
tubes must be kept on. (Left, instead of kept, if you like)
I use toggle wall dimmers in certain rooms and it took much effort to
educate the rest of the family as to the hazards of substituting
fluorescents I had in stock for the burned out incandescent. Will they
remember? I'm not about to spring for the even more expensive
fluorescents
that can handle variable power.

Don't use dimmers. They generate globs of RFI. Some brands are better
than others but they are all dirty.
--

Radio Frequency Interference? As far as I can tell, dimmers haven't been a
problem. Light fixture/motion detector combo units (screw detector in
first and then screw light bulb into detector) caused verifiable
interference with my FAX/phone unit and another telecommunication piece of
equipment.

Like I said, dimmers haven't been a problem. As a matter of fact, every
single GE and Phillips sunlight spectrum incandescent that's connected to
the dimmers have lasted longer than any fluorescents. Dimmers extend
longevity.

I understand there's a finite limit of tungsten, so finding a good
substitute ahead of time isn't unreasonable. What is unreasonable is for
the government to get everyone excited about digital TV, and yet so far
they use many more times the amount of electricity than a typical CRT. And
for every watt that produces heat it takes two watts to cool. Some
politicians may think they are showing and advocating, but it's from the
heart and not the mind.
Are you still with me or did I lose you after the first sentence?

If all my talk about dimmers has upset your stomach, I'm sorry dbu.

#17

"mark_digital©" <XXX-976 (AT) commacast (DOT) com> wrote

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"mark_digital©" <XXX-976 (AT) commacast (DOT) com> wrote in message
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"dbu.," <question*mark (AT) einp (DOT) com> wrote in message
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In article <38idnTw8st1rj7TbnZ2dnUVZ_jOdnZ2d (AT) comcast (DOT) com>,
"mark_digital©" <XXX-976 (AT) commacast (DOT) com> wrote:

"Jeff" <news (AT) googlemail (DOT) com> wrote in message
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"mark_digital©" <XXX-976 (AT) commacast (DOT) com> wrote in message
news:WsadndUY34TtnrTbnZ2dnUVZ_j6dnZ2d (AT) comcast (DOT) com...
What do you think of this attempt in Congress to ban incandescent
light
bulbs?
I think it's a shame those who are pushing for it haven't done their
homework.

Will we have to apply for an exemption 30-60 days before Christmas?
Will we have to forego a light bulb in the microwave oven?

I think we're being LED down the wrong path I tell ya.

Definitely.

I think it is fine that Congress set the standards, but let industry
determine the best technology to meet the standards. There should
also be
exceptions for applications where other technologies don't work, like
microwave ovens.

In addition, one of the incandescent light bulb makers is working on
a
bulb that is many times more efficient than regular incandescent
light
bulbs, and at least as efficient as regular light bulbs. I forget
which
company, but it might be GE.

So, if Congress writes the regulations, they need to be careful in
increase innovation, not stifle it.

BTW, I think CA's legislature is working on a similar law.

Jeff

I would like to point out something I learned recently from my
electrician
when I told him my florescent tubes were failing prematurely. He said
the
tubes must be kept on. (Left, instead of kept, if you like)
I use toggle wall dimmers in certain rooms and it took much effort to
educate the rest of the family as to the hazards of substituting
fluorescents I had in stock for the burned out incandescent. Will they
remember? I'm not about to spring for the even more expensive
fluorescents
that can handle variable power.

Don't use dimmers. They generate globs of RFI. Some brands are better
than others but they are all dirty.
--

Radio Frequency Interference? As far as I can tell, dimmers haven't been
a problem. Light fixture/motion detector combo units (screw detector in
first and then screw light bulb into detector) caused verifiable
interference with my FAX/phone unit and another telecommunication piece
of equipment.

Like I said, dimmers haven't been a problem. As a matter of fact, every
single GE and Phillips sunlight spectrum incandescent that's connected to
the dimmers have lasted longer than any fluorescents. Dimmers extend
longevity.

I understand there's a finite limit of tungsten, so finding a good
substitute ahead of time isn't unreasonable. What is unreasonable is for
the government to get everyone excited about digital TV, and yet so far
they use many more times the amount of electricity than a typical CRT.
And for every watt that produces heat it takes two watts to cool. Some
politicians may think they are showing and advocating, but it's from the
heart and not the mind.
Are you still with me or did I lose you after the first sentence?

If all my talk about dimmers has upset your stomach, I'm sorry dbu.

Hmm, every dimmer I've worked with has put RFI into some amateur radio
spectrum somewhere if not the Standard Broadcasting band.

Charles of Schaumburg

#18

"dbu.," <question*mark (AT) einp (DOT) com> wrote

Quote:

In article <P5idnYtKraT8YrTbnZ2dnUVZ_jednZ2d (AT) comcast (DOT) com>,
"mark_digital©" <XXX-976 (AT) commacast (DOT) com> wrote:

If all my talk about dimmers has upset your stomach, I'm sorry dbu.

Where in heavens sake did you get that idea? I am just trying to
educate you.

You are education us. On how people, such as yourself, who don't have a clue
and are totally misinformed can draw such stupid conclusion.

You're proving the old computer adage: garbage in, garbage out.

Jeff

Quote:

--

#19

"dbu.," <question*mark (AT) einp (DOT) com> wrote

Quote:

In article <P5idnYtKraT8YrTbnZ2dnUVZ_jednZ2d (AT) comcast (DOT) com>,
"mark_digital©" <XXX-976 (AT) commacast (DOT) com> wrote:

If all my talk about dimmers has upset your stomach, I'm sorry dbu.

Where in heavens sake did you get that idea? I am just trying to
educate you.
--

It was a poor ideological joke.

#20

Quote:

snipped
Don't use dimmers. They generate globs of RFI. Some brands are better
than others but they are all dirty.
--

Radio Frequency Interference? As far as I can tell, dimmers haven't been a
problem. Light fixture/motion detector combo units (screw detector in
first and then screw light bulb into detector) caused verifiable
interference with my FAX/phone unit and another telecommunication piece of
equipment.

Like I said, dimmers haven't been a problem. As a matter of fact, every
single GE and Phillips sunlight spectrum incandescent that's connected to
the dimmers have lasted longer than any fluorescents. Dimmers extend
longevity.

I understand there's a finite limit of tungsten, so finding a good
substitute ahead of time isn't unreasonable. What is unreasonable is for
the government to get everyone excited about digital TV, and yet so far
they use many more times the amount of electricity than a typical CRT. And
for every watt that produces heat it takes two watts to cool. Some
politicians may think they are showing and advocating, but it's from the
heart and not the mind.
Are you still with me or did I lose you after the first sentence?

Bruce B is a lot more knowledgeable about this subject than I am, but I'lll
give it a shot anyway.

The motion detector probably causes interference because it is transmitting
a signal that some other electronic devices pick up.

My understanding is that dimmers extend the life of incandescent bulbs
because they reduce the voltage to the bulbs, so they produce less heat and
light, which extends the life of the filaments. Someone once suggested
that using bulbs rated for 240 volts would last longer because they are
effectively working at half of their rated voltage in household use.
--

Ray O
(correct punctuation to reply)

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