"badgolferman" <REMOVETHISbadgolferman (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote

The answers to these questions are available at the American Museum of
Natural History in NYC. You can also try their web site www.amnh.org.
Another option is to read the actual reference in the Wikipedia article.
Finally, read Stephen Hawkings books.

Jeff

In article <ef1243tagh7ldbmap59ejvb531hg3mqi02 (AT) 4ax (DOT) com>,
dizzy <dizzy (AT) nospam (DOT) invalid> wrote:

I don't know what your point is here. AFAIK, nowhere in the Bible does
it specify an age of the universe. I do know there have been efforts to
fix a date, most notably those of Bishop Usher, but there is absolutely
no requirement to accept his conjecture and still be a Christian.

I consider myself a Christian, and I also have a degree in geology: I
feel comfortable that I have a better grasp on the evidence for the
accepted age of the earth than most posters to this newsgroup. I'm
perfectly happy accepting the earth as being 4.6 billion years old and
still accepting that there is a creator.

On second thought perhaps I do see your point: you're trying to paint
Christians as ignorant. Why must you attack the beliefs of a religion?
Or, more to the point, do you have plans for a regular series where you
needle believers in the other major faiths as well?

Or is it just Christians you hate?

Sean Elkins, 5/8/2007,11:20:47 PM, wrote:

Bingo!

"Sean Elkins" <sean_elkins (AT) yahoo (DOT) com> wrote

All this back and forth about the age of the world, or minkind, is about at
productive as trying to determine the number of angels who can sit or stand
on the head of a pin......
and reminds me of the old story of the radio talk show, where an eminent
scientist had just mentioned that the earth would die and grow cold at a
certain time. There was a phone call from a listener, an elderly lady, who
asked "When you guest talked about the end of the world , did he say it
would happen in a hundred Million years, or a hundred Billion years?"
The host relayed the question to t he guest, who replied "I said 100 Billion
years ...with a B."
The old lady sighed and said "OH, Thank God!!!!":

Sean Elkins wrote:

See, I knew that there were some Christians out there who actually
have a brain.

There are some in this very group who think that you cannot be a
Christian if you accept things like evolution and the Earth being
billions of years old. There are some who will call you "the son of
the devil" if you doubt creationism.

There are some, believe it or not, who HONESTLY BELIEVE that mankind
shared the planet with living dinosaurs, within the last 10,000 years!

Amazing, huh?

Sean Elkins wrote:

Ironically, it is those who claim to be Christians, who are the most
hateful people. Not to mention selfish and, often, downright evil.

Ask some of these "Christians" in here if they care one iota about
innocent Muslims being slaughtered in Iraq.

"dizzy" <dizzy (AT) nospam (DOT) invalid> wrote

Actually, this type of hatred seems to be shared by many faiths for people
of other faiths.

A lot of Muslims seem to hate Christians and Jews, there are a lot of
religious Jews who Muslims, and a lot of Christians who Muslims and
Christians.

IMHO, this is not the way God would want it.

Or vice versa.

Jeff

"dizzy" <dizzy (AT) nospam (DOT) invalid> wrote

Edit this by inserting "some of" in between "is" and "those" in your first
sentence, and *then* I think you have an accurate statement.

Cathy

Cathy F. wrote:

Well, what I wrote was "those who claim to be Christians", not
"Christians". I could have been more clear, but the people I'm
talking about are not really Christians, they just claim to be.

REAL Christians are not greedy, not selfish, not liars, not assholes,
not war-mongers, etc.

Jeff wrote:

No doubt. Generally, it's the religious fundamentalists that are
causing the problems. Ironically, it seems that the more of a fundie
a person is, the more of an evil bastard they are.

I sure you're right about that.