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OT: If Tookie really is sorry
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Re: OT: If Tookie really is sorry -
12-11-2005
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Learning Richard, 12/11/2005,10:29:20 PM, wrote: You should probably read the chapter on "Relapse and Recovery". The only chapter existing with a name like that must have been written by you. |
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Quit telling people you don't even know in an automotive forum to "prove" this animal is guilty. He's already been proven over and over again to be guilty. By whom? Are you daft? By prosecuters in the original trial and more prosecuters in subsequent appeals. Even the most liberal appeals court in the country won't overturn his conviction. Where exactly does ones' opinion come from herein? From the fact that he has run out of appeals. Why can't you see past your nose? half-truths and fear-based baloney you've read in this group. Almost all of which come directly from your posts. You must be in pretty good with God. How did you manage that? You have proxy access to his Microsoft Outlook schedule book as well? I didn't know God and Bill Gates had a deal going. I was always told Bill Gates made a deal with the Devil. |
Oh yeah -- the RNC runs its entire platform on Microsoft/Oracle, so
you're prolly right about the deal with the Devil part.
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"Learning Richard" <learningrichard (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote in message news:1134337907.952295.318900 (AT) g44g2000cwa (DOT) googlegroups.com... Charles @ Kankakee wrote: If Tookie is really sorry for what he did, why doesn't he disband the gang he started? You're dumb. He's not. He's on Death Row. I doubt that from there he's going to be able to disband a bunch of punks who happen to take the name of the gang he didn't even start. He can't disband his own gang, |
bunch of gun-toting OG rock slingers in Baltimore are going to close
shop because some old man on death row told them to?
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but he can influence children to not join. Yeah, right. |
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The Crypts and the associated gangs here in Chicago, are still killing as often as they can actually aim and hit . And of course, the He's been locked away for over 20 years. Now look. I know he's black and everything, but that doesn't mean he's responsible for all those murders. He's directoy responsible for at least four murders. |
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innocent bystanders that accidentally get in the way of bullets. . . . Let him pay for his crime. Two words all the liberals forget: Personal responsibility. Yeah. Something you know absolutely nothing about. When you're not on Death Row, the odds of having to own up to personal reaponsibility to the extent that Tookie has to are very remote. |
took that attitude was around what... 1930s? Oh yeah then there's
Kosovo.
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Jeff Strickland wrote: "Learning Richard" <learningrichard (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote in message news:1134337907.952295.318900 (AT) g44g2000cwa (DOT) googlegroups.com... Charles @ Kankakee wrote: If Tookie is really sorry for what he did, why doesn't he disband the gang he started? You're dumb. He's not. He's on Death Row. I doubt that from there he's going to be able to disband a bunch of punks who happen to take the name of the gang he didn't even start. He can't disband his own gang, heheheh... man, you really are from the farm aren't you? You think a bunch of gun-toting OG rock slingers in Baltimore are going to close shop because some old man on death row told them to? |
grow up.
The absurdity is that while YOU don't think that teen agers will listen to
him, you do think that small children will.
The guy started one of the most violent street gangs to ever roam the
planet, and he killed 4 people in cold blood, and you want to give him
another chance.
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but he can influence children to not join. Yeah, right. He can, and indeed, he has. |
decided to NOT join a gang as a result. If he has that kind of power, then
he should write a book to his cohorts and get them to stop.
The best we can do to stop these people is to put men like Tookie Williams
to death, give them the punishment they deserve in a very public way.
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The Crypts and the associated gangs here in Chicago, are still killing as often as they can actually aim and hit . And of course, the He's been locked away for over 20 years. Now look. I know he's black and everything, but that doesn't mean he's responsible for all those murders. He's directoy responsible for at least four murders. prove it. |
his previous appeals denied.
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innocent bystanders that accidentally get in the way of bullets. . . . Let him pay for his crime. Two words all the liberals forget: Personal responsibility. Yeah. Something you know absolutely nothing about. When you're not on Death Row, the odds of having to own up to personal reaponsibility to the extent that Tookie has to are very remote. You mean state-sanctioned extermination? |
only problem I can see with the system is that it takes too long for justice
to be meted out.
Last time a Western country
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took that attitude was around what... 1930s? Oh yeah then there's Kosovo. |
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"Learning Richard" <learningrichard (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote in message news:1134360304.677966.22640 (AT) g47g2000cwa (DOT) googlegroups.com... Jeff Strickland wrote: "Learning Richard" <learningrichard (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote in message news:1134337907.952295.318900 (AT) g44g2000cwa (DOT) googlegroups.com... When you're not on Death Row, the odds of having to own up to personal reaponsibility to the extent that Tookie has to are very remote. You mean state-sanctioned extermination? If that's what you want ot call it. I call it reasonable punishment. The only problem I can see with the system is that it takes too long for justice to be meted out. Last time a Western country took that attitude was around what... 1930s? Oh yeah then there's Kosovo. Kosovo, an East Bloc country is western? |
so yeah, the last time a Western country thought that state-sanctioned
extermination of its citizens was a Good Thing was around the
1930s-1940s.
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Jeff Strickland wrote: "Learning Richard" <learningrichard (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote in message news:1134360304.677966.22640 (AT) g47g2000cwa (DOT) googlegroups.com... Jeff Strickland wrote: "Learning Richard" <learningrichard (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote in message news:1134337907.952295.318900 (AT) g44g2000cwa (DOT) googlegroups.com... When you're not on Death Row, the odds of having to own up to personal reaponsibility to the extent that Tookie has to are very remote. You mean state-sanctioned extermination? If that's what you want ot call it. I call it reasonable punishment. The only problem I can see with the system is that it takes too long for justice to be meted out. Last time a Western country took that attitude was around what... 1930s? Oh yeah then there's Kosovo. Kosovo, an East Bloc country is western? Good point. With the EEU and all... so yeah, the last time a Western country thought that state-sanctioned extermination of its citizens was a Good Thing was around the 1930s-1940s. |
If they all jumped off a cliff, would you follow them? What fucking
difference does it make what they do? Our law is what we need to uphold or
change, not theirs. We have 650 prisoners on Death Row in California alone,
and Tookie will be the 12th to be executed since 1976 when the DP was
reinstated in this state.
That's close to 30 years, or less than one every three years, to execute 12
inmates. The average time they spend on Death Row exceeds the life span of
their victims by nearly double the age of the victim when they were killed.
If we killed one Death Row inmate every week until they were all gone, and
no new inmates were added to the system, it would take 12.5 years to empty
all of the cells. I do not advocate doing that, but it brings the picture
into perspective. Our justice system is far too lenient, and would-be
criminals have no fear of being caught and convicted because for many of
them, they will have it better inside than on the streets. And, we do
nothing to punish beyond putting them behind bars.
The main shortcoming of the Death Penalty is that it takes far too long to
carry the sentence out. Tookie did his deeds in the middle '70s, was tried
in the late '70s and early 80's. That's 25 years he's been on appeal, it
should be 5, tops.
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"Learning Richard" <learningrichard (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote in message news:1134361763.541318.44450 (AT) g14g2000cwa (DOT) googlegroups.com... Jeff Strickland wrote: "Learning Richard" <learningrichard (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote in message news:1134360304.677966.22640 (AT) g47g2000cwa (DOT) googlegroups.com... Jeff Strickland wrote: "Learning Richard" <learningrichard (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote in message news:1134337907.952295.318900 (AT) g44g2000cwa (DOT) googlegroups.com... When you're not on Death Row, the odds of having to own up to personal reaponsibility to the extent that Tookie has to are very remote. You mean state-sanctioned extermination? If that's what you want ot call it. I call it reasonable punishment. The only problem I can see with the system is that it takes too long for justice to be meted out. Last time a Western country took that attitude was around what... 1930s? Oh yeah then there's Kosovo. Kosovo, an East Bloc country is western? Good point. With the EEU and all... so yeah, the last time a Western country thought that state-sanctioned extermination of its citizens was a Good Thing was around the 1930s-1940s. So? If they all jumped off a cliff, would you follow them? What fucking difference does it make what they do? Our law is what we need to uphold or change, not theirs. We have 650 prisoners on Death Row in California alone, and Tookie will be the 12th to be executed since 1976 when the DP was reinstated in this state. That's close to 30 years, or less than one every three years, to execute 12 inmates. The average time they spend on Death Row exceeds the life span of their victims by nearly double the age of the victim when they were killed. If we killed one Death Row inmate every week until they were all gone, and no new inmates were added to the system, it would take 12.5 years to empty all of the cells. I do not advocate doing that, but it brings the picture into perspective. Our justice system is far too lenient, and would-be criminals have no fear of being caught and convicted because for many of them, they will have it better inside than on the streets. And, we do nothing to punish beyond putting them behind bars. |
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If Tookie is really sorry for what he did, why doesn't he disband the gang he started? He's not. The Crypts and the associated gangs here in Chicago, are still killing as often as they can actually aim and hit . And of course, the innocent bystanders that accidentally get in the way of bullets. . . . Let him pay for his crime. Two words all the liberals forget: Personal responsibility. fry is ass! |
let him pay for what he did and the justice will be served
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Jeff Strickland wrote: "Learning Richard" <learningrichard (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote in message news:1134361763.541318.44450 (AT) g14g2000cwa (DOT) googlegroups.com... Jeff Strickland wrote: "Learning Richard" <learningrichard (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote in message news:1134360304.677966.22640 (AT) g47g2000cwa (DOT) googlegroups.com... Jeff Strickland wrote: "Learning Richard" <learningrichard (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote in message news:1134337907.952295.318900 (AT) g44g2000cwa (DOT) googlegroups.com... When you're not on Death Row, the odds of having to own up to personal reaponsibility to the extent that Tookie has to are very remote. You mean state-sanctioned extermination? If that's what you want ot call it. I call it reasonable punishment. The only problem I can see with the system is that it takes too long for justice to be meted out. Last time a Western country took that attitude was around what... 1930s? Oh yeah then there's Kosovo. Kosovo, an East Bloc country is western? Good point. With the EEU and all... so yeah, the last time a Western country thought that state-sanctioned extermination of its citizens was a Good Thing was around the 1930s-1940s. So? If they all jumped off a cliff, would you follow them? What fucking difference does it make what they do? Our law is what we need to uphold or change, not theirs. We have 650 prisoners on Death Row in California alone, and Tookie will be the 12th to be executed since 1976 when the DP was reinstated in this state. That's close to 30 years, or less than one every three years, to execute 12 inmates. The average time they spend on Death Row exceeds the life span of their victims by nearly double the age of the victim when they were killed. If we killed one Death Row inmate every week until they were all gone, and no new inmates were added to the system, it would take 12.5 years to empty all of the cells. I do not advocate doing that, but it brings the picture into perspective. Our justice system is far too lenient, and would-be criminals have no fear of being caught and convicted because for many of them, they will have it better inside than on the streets. And, we do nothing to punish beyond putting them behind bars. Would torture work for you? |
evening, I expect the punishment to be death. I'd also expect the punishment
to be delivered relatively quickly, not in 25+ years.
I don't support pulling out finger nails of military prisoners. But taking
their clothes and making them uncomfortable with women present isn't
alarming to me.
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On Wed, 14 Dec 2005 17:49:02 -0800, "Jeff Strickland" crwlr (AT) yahoo (DOT) com> wrote: "FanJet" <FanJet27 (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote in message news:439d8e6f$0$8183$6d3edbfc (AT) news (DOT) sover.net... Jeff Strickland wrote: "Learning Richard" <learningrichard (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote in message news:1134361763.541318.44450 (AT) g14g2000cwa (DOT) googlegroups.com... Jeff Strickland wrote: "Learning Richard" <learningrichard (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote in message news:1134360304.677966.22640 (AT) g47g2000cwa (DOT) googlegroups.com... Jeff Strickland wrote: "Learning Richard" <learningrichard (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote in message news:1134337907.952295.318900 (AT) g44g2000cwa (DOT) googlegroups.com... When you're not on Death Row, the odds of having to own up to personal reaponsibility to the extent that Tookie has to are very remote. You mean state-sanctioned extermination? If that's what you want ot call it. I call it reasonable punishment. The only problem I can see with the system is that it takes too long for justice to be meted out. Last time a Western country took that attitude was around what... 1930s? Oh yeah then there's Kosovo. Kosovo, an East Bloc country is western? Good point. With the EEU and all... so yeah, the last time a Western country thought that state-sanctioned extermination of its citizens was a Good Thing was around the 1930s-1940s. So? If they all jumped off a cliff, would you follow them? What fucking difference does it make what they do? Our law is what we need to uphold or change, not theirs. We have 650 prisoners on Death Row in California alone, and Tookie will be the 12th to be executed since 1976 when the DP was reinstated in this state. That's close to 30 years, or less than one every three years, to execute 12 inmates. The average time they spend on Death Row exceeds the life span of their victims by nearly double the age of the victim when they were killed. If we killed one Death Row inmate every week until they were all gone, and no new inmates were added to the system, it would take 12.5 years to empty all of the cells. I do not advocate doing that, but it brings the picture into perspective. Our justice system is far too lenient, and would-be criminals have no fear of being caught and convicted because for many of them, they will have it better inside than on the streets. And, we do nothing to punish beyond putting them behind bars. Would torture work for you? It depends. I don't want to be tortured. But, if I killed 4 people in an evening, I expect the punishment to be death. I'd also expect the punishment to be delivered relatively quickly, not in 25+ years. I don't support pulling out finger nails of military prisoners. But taking their clothes and making them uncomfortable with women present isn't alarming to me. I love that 'water torture' thing.... 100 percent....that is everyone....that is subjected to it....breaks! |
so low that it is no better than arbitrary anecdotal evidence.
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Scott in Florida wrote: On Wed, 14 Dec 2005 17:49:02 -0800, "Jeff Strickland" crwlr (AT) yahoo (DOT) com> wrote: "FanJet" <FanJet27 (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote in message news:439d8e6f$0$8183$6d3edbfc (AT) news (DOT) sover.net... Jeff Strickland wrote: "Learning Richard" <learningrichard (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote in message news:1134361763.541318.44450 (AT) g14g2000cwa (DOT) googlegroups.com... Jeff Strickland wrote: "Learning Richard" <learningrichard (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote in message news:1134360304.677966.22640 (AT) g47g2000cwa (DOT) googlegroups.com... Jeff Strickland wrote: "Learning Richard" <learningrichard (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote in message news:1134337907.952295.318900 (AT) g44g2000cwa (DOT) googlegroups.com... When you're not on Death Row, the odds of having to own up to personal reaponsibility to the extent that Tookie has to are very remote. You mean state-sanctioned extermination? If that's what you want ot call it. I call it reasonable punishment. The only problem I can see with the system is that it takes too long for justice to be meted out. Last time a Western country took that attitude was around what... 1930s? Oh yeah then there's Kosovo. Kosovo, an East Bloc country is western? Good point. With the EEU and all... so yeah, the last time a Western country thought that state-sanctioned extermination of its citizens was a Good Thing was around the 1930s-1940s. So? If they all jumped off a cliff, would you follow them? What fucking difference does it make what they do? Our law is what we need to uphold or change, not theirs. We have 650 prisoners on Death Row in California alone, and Tookie will be the 12th to be executed since 1976 when the DP was reinstated in this state. That's close to 30 years, or less than one every three years, to execute 12 inmates. The average time they spend on Death Row exceeds the life span of their victims by nearly double the age of the victim when they were killed. If we killed one Death Row inmate every week until they were all gone, and no new inmates were added to the system, it would take 12.5 years to empty all of the cells. I do not advocate doing that, but it brings the picture into perspective. Our justice system is far too lenient, and would-be criminals have no fear of being caught and convicted because for many of them, they will have it better inside than on the streets. And, we do nothing to punish beyond putting them behind bars. Would torture work for you? It depends. I don't want to be tortured. But, if I killed 4 people in an evening, I expect the punishment to be death. I'd also expect the punishment to be delivered relatively quickly, not in 25+ years. I don't support pulling out finger nails of military prisoners. But taking their clothes and making them uncomfortable with women present isn't alarming to me. I love that 'water torture' thing.... 100 percent....that is everyone....that is subjected to it....breaks! Too bad the confidence level of the data achieved through such means is so low that it is no better than arbitrary anecdotal evidence. |
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