"FanJet" <FanJet27 (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote

Yes. It includes sneaking up on unsuspecting victims, not telling them 30
years ahead of time ...

Tookie Williams is violent, the State is not -- the State might be violent,
but not in this instance. And, when the State is violent, we can redress our
grievence in the courts and the legislature. Your grievence is with the
legislature, but you already lost in this State in 1978. Your grievance
isn't with the court because they already said what we do to death row
inmates is okay. So, if you want to do something different with them, take
it to the legislature.

Jeff Strickland wrote:
The point isn't whether or not the death penalty in this case is legal. It
apparently is. Nevertheless killing Williams was violent. State sponsored
violence is still violence and it doesn't solve anything.

"FanJet" <FanJet27 (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote:


person for his whole life is also violent, but you have to admit
that it was most necessary...and it certainly did solve
something. Surely you're not advocating just releasing him?!?
--

-Gord.
(use gordon in email)

"FanJet" <FanJet27 (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote

IT sure the FUCK does solve SOMETHING. THAT is one asshole who will NEVER,
EVER again butcher anyone. Get a fucking brain!

"FanJet" <FanJet27 (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote


No it wasn't. Violence is when a shotgun load goes into your back and comes
out your front. Violence is when you go into a liquor store and kill
somebody that did nothing more than show up for work that day.

Violence is not what happens when the punishment for your crimes includes
being injected with a lethal dose of drugs that takes your life painlessly
and in a highly controlled manner.

Jeff Strickland wrote:
Oh, so killing someone isn't violence long as it's painless. And, of course,
rape must be alright as long as you feed her a nice load of midazolem before
hand.

"FanJet" <FanJet27 (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote

It's very difficult to have a meaningful discussion with a man that mixes
apples and oranges as a matter of course. You are selecting non-sequitors
and making them equal.

Executing the Death Penalty by firing squad has been ruled as violent, and
I'm pretty sure that most logically thinking people would agree that a
firing squad is violent, even if the recipient of the flying bullets
deserved what he gets. But the death penalty is not necessarily a violent
act, whether or not one agrees that the recipient deserves it.

Allow me to cut and paste the definition of "violent" from the Merriam
Webster dictionary,
Main Entry: vi·o·lent
Pronunciation: -l&nt
Function: adjective
Etymology: Middle English, from Middle French, from Latin violentus; akin to
Latin vis strength -- more at VIM
1 : marked by extreme force or sudden intense activity <a violent attack>
2 a : notably furious or vehement <a violent denunciation> b : EXTREME,
INTENSE <violent pain> <violent colors>
3 : caused by force : not natural <a violent death>
4 a : emotionally agitated to the point of loss of self-control <a mental
patient becoming violent> b : prone to commit acts of violence <violent
prison inmates>
- vi·o·lent·ly adverb


The demise of Tookie Williams was not the result of state facilitated
violence. The demise of his victims was clearly a violent act by him.

"FanJet" <FanJet27 (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote

FanJet is all too familiar with the ins and outs of Date Rape. Figures.
Typical LIEbrawl DEMONrat.

Jeff Strickland wrote:
No, I'm not.

Nevertheless, still legal everywhere as far as I know. I think Utah's still
into it. Fact is, killing someone is *always* a viloent act. Why not check
'kill' in your Merriam?

Sure. Do you read before posting?

"3 : caused by force : not natural <a violent death>"

In case you're not familiar with the procedure: <forcefully> strapping
someone to a gurney and shooting them up with a fatal combination of drugs
cause a not natural <violent> death.

"FanJet" <FanJet27 (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote

Yes, you are. You are suggesting in no uncertain terms that rape and
murder -- things that Tookie Williams has done, and been convicted of doing
in no less than four instances -- are exactly the same as the execution the
State doles out in response. Apples and oranges, my friend. Apples and
oranges.




What's legal, firing squads? I think not.




There is no violence in any of the executions that I've ever taken notice
of. Surely, the violence in the Execution Chamber is not even remotely
similar to the shotgun blast at the convenience store. Dolt.