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Re: OT: If Tookie really is sorry -
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"FanJet" <FanJet27 (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote in message news:43a6d363$0$25242$4d3efbfe (AT) news (DOT) sover.net... It's very difficult to have a meaningful discussion with a man that mixes apples and oranges as a matter of course. You are selecting non-sequitors and making them equal. No, I'm not. Yes, you are. |
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Apples and oranges, my friend. Apples and oranges. |
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| Executing the Death Penalty by firing squad has been ruled as violent, and I'm pretty sure that most logically thinking people would agree that a firing squad is violent, even if the recipient of the flying bullets deserved what he gets. But the death penalty is not necessarily a violent act, whether or not one agrees that the recipient deserves it. Nevertheless, still legal everywhere as far as I know. I think Utah's still into it. Fact is, killing someone is *always* a viloent act. Why not check 'kill' in your Merriam? What's legal, firing squads? I think not. |
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| Allow me to cut and paste the definition of "violent" from the Merriam Sure. Do you read before posting? "3 : caused by force : not natural <a violent death>" In case you're not familiar with the procedure: <forcefully> strapping someone to a gurney and shooting them up with a fatal combination of drugs cause a not natural <violent> death. There is no violence in any of the executions that I've ever taken notice of. Surely, the violence in the Execution Chamber is not even remotely similar to the shotgun blast at the convenience store. Dolt. |
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| The demise of Tookie Williams was not the result of state facilitated violence. The demise of his victims was clearly a violent act by him. Of course it was...perhaps it wasn't -AS- violent as the act(s) |
metal through his victim's skin and beyond which took their lives
so the State's act of driving metal through his skin did the same
to him...it's merely a different AMOUNT of violence but they were
equally effective...and certainly both were violent.
Don't (again) misconstrue what I say, I thoroughly agree with the
State's position...I merely disagree with your explanation
above...
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Jeff Strickland wrote: "FanJet" <FanJet27 (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote in message news:43a632fb$0$25262$4d3efbfe (AT) news (DOT) sover.net... Jeff Strickland wrote: "FanJet" <FanJet27 (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote in message news:43a4ed1e$0$25262$4d3efbfe (AT) news (DOT) sover.net... Jeff Strickland wrote: "FanJet" <FanJet27 (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote in message news:43a4b60d$0$8823$4d3efbfe (AT) news (DOT) sover.net... Jeff Strickland wrote: "FanJet" <FanJet27 (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote in message news:43a39a13$0$8822$4d3efbfe (AT) news (DOT) sover.net... Seriously, Jeff, it doesn't involve advanced thinking to conclude that the answer to violence isn't more violence. The execution of the Death Penalty isn't violence. Surely you at least understand the concept of violence. No? SNIP Yes. It includes sneaking up on unsuspecting victims, not telling them 30 years ahead of time ... Tookie Williams is violent, the State is not -- the State might be violent, but not in this instance. And, when the State is violent, we can redress our grievence in the courts and the legislature. Your grievence is with the legislature, but you already lost in this State in 1978. Your grievance isn't with the court because they already said what we do to death row inmates is okay. So, if you want to do something different with them, take it to the legislature.\ The point isn't whether or not the death penalty in this case is legal. It apparently is. Nevertheless killing Williams was violent. State sponsored violence is still violence and it doesn't solve anything. No it wasn't. Violence is when a shotgun load goes into your back and comes out your front. Violence is when you go into a liquor store and kill somebody that did nothing more than show up for work that day. Violence is not what happens when the punishment for your crimes includes being injected with a lethal dose of drugs that takes your life painlessly and in a highly controlled manner. Oh, so killing someone isn't violence long as it's painless. And, of course, rape must be alright as long as you feed her a nice load of midazolem before hand. It's very difficult to have a meaningful discussion with a man that mixes apples and oranges as a matter of course. You are selecting non-sequitors and making them equal. No, I'm not. Executing the Death Penalty by firing squad has been ruled as violent, and I'm pretty sure that most logically thinking people would agree that a firing squad is violent, even if the recipient of the flying bullets deserved what he gets. But the death penalty is not necessarily a violent act, whether or not one agrees that the recipient deserves it. Nevertheless, still legal everywhere as far as I know. I think Utah's still into it. Fact is, killing someone is *always* a viloent act. Why not check 'kill' in your Merriam? Allow me to cut and paste the definition of "violent" from the Merriam Sure. Do you read before posting? "3 : caused by force : not natural <a violent death>" In case you're not familiar with the procedure: <forcefully> strapping someone to a gurney and shooting them up with a fatal combination of drugs cause a not natural <violent> death. |
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"FanJet" <FanJet27 (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote: Jeff Strickland wrote: "FanJet" <FanJet27 (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote in message news:43a632fb$0$25262$4d3efbfe (AT) news (DOT) sover.net... Jeff Strickland wrote: "FanJet" <FanJet27 (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote in message news:43a4ed1e$0$25262$4d3efbfe (AT) news (DOT) sover.net... Jeff Strickland wrote: "FanJet" <FanJet27 (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote in message news:43a4b60d$0$8823$4d3efbfe (AT) news (DOT) sover.net... Jeff Strickland wrote: "FanJet" <FanJet27 (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote in message news:43a39a13$0$8822$4d3efbfe (AT) news (DOT) sover.net... Seriously, Jeff, it doesn't involve advanced thinking to conclude that the answer to violence isn't more violence. The execution of the Death Penalty isn't violence. Surely you at least understand the concept of violence. No? SNIP Yes. It includes sneaking up on unsuspecting victims, not telling them 30 years ahead of time ... Tookie Williams is violent, the State is not -- the State might be violent, but not in this instance. And, when the State is violent, we can redress our grievence in the courts and the legislature. Your grievence is with the legislature, but you already lost in this State in 1978. Your grievance isn't with the court because they already said what we do to death row inmates is okay. So, if you want to do something different with them, take it to the legislature.\ The point isn't whether or not the death penalty in this case is legal. It apparently is. Nevertheless killing Williams was violent. State sponsored violence is still violence and it doesn't solve anything. No it wasn't. Violence is when a shotgun load goes into your back and comes out your front. Violence is when you go into a liquor store and kill somebody that did nothing more than show up for work that day. Violence is not what happens when the punishment for your crimes includes being injected with a lethal dose of drugs that takes your life painlessly and in a highly controlled manner. Oh, so killing someone isn't violence long as it's painless. And, of course, rape must be alright as long as you feed her a nice load of midazolem before hand. It's very difficult to have a meaningful discussion with a man that mixes apples and oranges as a matter of course. You are selecting non-sequitors and making them equal. No, I'm not. Executing the Death Penalty by firing squad has been ruled as violent, and I'm pretty sure that most logically thinking people would agree that a firing squad is violent, even if the recipient of the flying bullets deserved what he gets. But the death penalty is not necessarily a violent act, whether or not one agrees that the recipient deserves it. Nevertheless, still legal everywhere as far as I know. I think Utah's still into it. Fact is, killing someone is *always* a viloent act. Why not check 'kill' in your Merriam? Allow me to cut and paste the definition of "violent" from the Merriam Sure. Do you read before posting? "3 : caused by force : not natural <a violent death>" In case you're not familiar with the procedure: <forcefully> strapping someone to a gurney and shooting them up with a fatal combination of drugs cause a not natural <violent> death. Of course...who could disagree?... -- |
I would. The execution of a death sentence in the State of California is not
violent, especially when measured against the crimes of those that are
executed. I am at complete peace with the way we execute people, indeed the
biggest problem is we take way too long.
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"Gord Beaman" <gord (AT) islandtelecom (DOT) com> wrote in message news:mlfhq1ti65rmlk2so1jaag14maol9acbve (AT) 4ax (DOT) com... "FanJet" <FanJet27 (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote: Jeff Strickland wrote: "FanJet" <FanJet27 (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote in message news:43a632fb$0$25262$4d3efbfe (AT) news (DOT) sover.net... Jeff Strickland wrote: "FanJet" <FanJet27 (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote in message news:43a4ed1e$0$25262$4d3efbfe (AT) news (DOT) sover.net... Jeff Strickland wrote: "FanJet" <FanJet27 (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote in message news:43a4b60d$0$8823$4d3efbfe (AT) news (DOT) sover.net... Jeff Strickland wrote: "FanJet" <FanJet27 (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote in message news:43a39a13$0$8822$4d3efbfe (AT) news (DOT) sover.net... Seriously, Jeff, it doesn't involve advanced thinking to conclude that the answer to violence isn't more violence. The execution of the Death Penalty isn't violence. Surely you at least understand the concept of violence. No? SNIP Yes. It includes sneaking up on unsuspecting victims, not telling them 30 years ahead of time ... Tookie Williams is violent, the State is not -- the State might be violent, but not in this instance. And, when the State is violent, we can redress our grievence in the courts and the legislature. Your grievence is with the legislature, but you already lost in this State in 1978. Your grievance isn't with the court because they already said what we do to death row inmates is okay. So, if you want to do something different with them, take it to the legislature.\ The point isn't whether or not the death penalty in this case is legal. It apparently is. Nevertheless killing Williams was violent. State sponsored violence is still violence and it doesn't solve anything. No it wasn't. Violence is when a shotgun load goes into your back and comes out your front. Violence is when you go into a liquor store and kill somebody that did nothing more than show up for work that day. Violence is not what happens when the punishment for your crimes includes being injected with a lethal dose of drugs that takes your life painlessly and in a highly controlled manner. Oh, so killing someone isn't violence long as it's painless. And, of course, rape must be alright as long as you feed her a nice load of midazolem before hand. It's very difficult to have a meaningful discussion with a man that mixes apples and oranges as a matter of course. You are selecting non-sequitors and making them equal. No, I'm not. Executing the Death Penalty by firing squad has been ruled as violent, and I'm pretty sure that most logically thinking people would agree that a firing squad is violent, even if the recipient of the flying bullets deserved what he gets. But the death penalty is not necessarily a violent act, whether or not one agrees that the recipient deserves it. Nevertheless, still legal everywhere as far as I know. I think Utah's still into it. Fact is, killing someone is *always* a viloent act. Why not check 'kill' in your Merriam? Allow me to cut and paste the definition of "violent" from the Merriam Sure. Do you read before posting? "3 : caused by force : not natural <a violent death>" In case you're not familiar with the procedure: <forcefully> strapping someone to a gurney and shooting them up with a fatal combination of drugs cause a not natural <violent> death. Of course...who could disagree?... -- I would. The execution of a death sentence in the State of California is not violent, especially when measured against the crimes of those that are executed. I am at complete peace with the way we execute people, indeed the biggest problem is we take way too long. |
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Agreed. I, for one, would VOLUNTEER, at no cost, to help execution crews. |
I'm waiting for you to come down to the USA and VOLUNTEER to go fight
in Iraq, big talker.
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"Jeff Strickland" <crwlr (AT) yahoo (DOT) com> wrote in message news:56qdnd1mL8zqljfenZ2dnUVZ_t2dnZ2d (AT) ez2 (DOT) net... "Gord Beaman" <gord (AT) islandtelecom (DOT) com> wrote in message news:mlfhq1ti65rmlk2so1jaag14maol9acbve (AT) 4ax (DOT) com... "FanJet" <FanJet27 (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote: Jeff Strickland wrote: "FanJet" <FanJet27 (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote in message news:43a632fb$0$25262$4d3efbfe (AT) news (DOT) sover.net... Jeff Strickland wrote: "FanJet" <FanJet27 (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote in message news:43a4ed1e$0$25262$4d3efbfe (AT) news (DOT) sover.net... Jeff Strickland wrote: "FanJet" <FanJet27 (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote in message news:43a4b60d$0$8823$4d3efbfe (AT) news (DOT) sover.net... Jeff Strickland wrote: "FanJet" <FanJet27 (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote in message news:43a39a13$0$8822$4d3efbfe (AT) news (DOT) sover.net... Seriously, Jeff, it doesn't involve advanced thinking to conclude that the answer to violence isn't more violence. The execution of the Death Penalty isn't violence. Surely you at least understand the concept of violence. No? SNIP Yes. It includes sneaking up on unsuspecting victims, not telling them 30 years ahead of time ... Tookie Williams is violent, the State is not -- the State might be violent, but not in this instance. And, when the State is violent, we can redress our grievence in the courts and the legislature. Your grievence is with the legislature, but you already lost in this State in 1978. Your grievance isn't with the court because they already said what we do to death row inmates is okay. So, if you want to do something different with them, take it to the legislature.\ The point isn't whether or not the death penalty in this case is legal. It apparently is. Nevertheless killing Williams was violent. State sponsored violence is still violence and it doesn't solve anything. No it wasn't. Violence is when a shotgun load goes into your back and comes out your front. Violence is when you go into a liquor store and kill somebody that did nothing more than show up for work that day. Violence is not what happens when the punishment for your crimes includes being injected with a lethal dose of drugs that takes your life painlessly and in a highly controlled manner. Oh, so killing someone isn't violence long as it's painless. And, of course, rape must be alright as long as you feed her a nice load of midazolem before hand. It's very difficult to have a meaningful discussion with a man that mixes apples and oranges as a matter of course. You are selecting non-sequitors and making them equal. No, I'm not. Executing the Death Penalty by firing squad has been ruled as violent, and I'm pretty sure that most logically thinking people would agree that a firing squad is violent, even if the recipient of the flying bullets deserved what he gets. But the death penalty is not necessarily a violent act, whether or not one agrees that the recipient deserves it. Nevertheless, still legal everywhere as far as I know. I think Utah's still into it. Fact is, killing someone is *always* a viloent act. Why not check 'kill' in your Merriam? Allow me to cut and paste the definition of "violent" from the Merriam Sure. Do you read before posting? "3 : caused by force : not natural <a violent death>" In case you're not familiar with the procedure: <forcefully strapping someone to a gurney and shooting them up with a fatal combination of drugs cause a not natural <violent> death. Of course...who could disagree?... -- I would. The execution of a death sentence in the State of California is not violent, especially when measured against the crimes of those that are executed. I am at complete peace with the way we execute people, indeed the biggest problem is we take way too long. Agreed. I, for one, would VOLUNTEER, at no cost, to help execution crews. |
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Sharx35 wrote: "Jeff Strickland" <crwlr (AT) yahoo (DOT) com> wrote in message news:56qdnd1mL8zqljfenZ2dnUVZ_t2dnZ2d (AT) ez2 (DOT) net... "Gord Beaman" <gord (AT) islandtelecom (DOT) com> wrote in message news:mlfhq1ti65rmlk2so1jaag14maol9acbve (AT) 4ax (DOT) com... "FanJet" <FanJet27 (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote: Jeff Strickland wrote: "FanJet" <FanJet27 (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote in message news:43a632fb$0$25262$4d3efbfe (AT) news (DOT) sover.net... Jeff Strickland wrote: "FanJet" <FanJet27 (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote in message news:43a4ed1e$0$25262$4d3efbfe (AT) news (DOT) sover.net... Jeff Strickland wrote: "FanJet" <FanJet27 (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote in message news:43a4b60d$0$8823$4d3efbfe (AT) news (DOT) sover.net... Jeff Strickland wrote: "FanJet" <FanJet27 (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote in message news:43a39a13$0$8822$4d3efbfe (AT) news (DOT) sover.net... Seriously, Jeff, it doesn't involve advanced thinking to conclude that the answer to violence isn't more violence. The execution of the Death Penalty isn't violence. Surely you at least understand the concept of violence. No? SNIP Yes. It includes sneaking up on unsuspecting victims, not telling them 30 years ahead of time ... Tookie Williams is violent, the State is not -- the State might be violent, but not in this instance. And, when the State is violent, we can redress our grievence in the courts and the legislature. Your grievence is with the legislature, but you already lost in this State in 1978. Your grievance isn't with the court because they already said what we do to death row inmates is okay. So, if you want to do something different with them, take it to the legislature.\ The point isn't whether or not the death penalty in this case is legal. It apparently is. Nevertheless killing Williams was violent. State sponsored violence is still violence and it doesn't solve anything. No it wasn't. Violence is when a shotgun load goes into your back and comes out your front. Violence is when you go into a liquor store and kill somebody that did nothing more than show up for work that day. Violence is not what happens when the punishment for your crimes includes being injected with a lethal dose of drugs that takes your life painlessly and in a highly controlled manner. Oh, so killing someone isn't violence long as it's painless. And, of course, rape must be alright as long as you feed her a nice load of midazolem before hand. It's very difficult to have a meaningful discussion with a man that mixes apples and oranges as a matter of course. You are selecting non-sequitors and making them equal. No, I'm not. Executing the Death Penalty by firing squad has been ruled as violent, and I'm pretty sure that most logically thinking people would agree that a firing squad is violent, even if the recipient of the flying bullets deserved what he gets. But the death penalty is not necessarily a violent act, whether or not one agrees that the recipient deserves it. Nevertheless, still legal everywhere as far as I know. I think Utah's still into it. Fact is, killing someone is *always* a viloent act. Why not check 'kill' in your Merriam? Allow me to cut and paste the definition of "violent" from the Merriam Sure. Do you read before posting? "3 : caused by force : not natural <a violent death>" In case you're not familiar with the procedure: <forcefully strapping someone to a gurney and shooting them up with a fatal combination of drugs cause a not natural <violent> death. Of course...who could disagree?... -- I would. The execution of a death sentence in the State of California is not violent, especially when measured against the crimes of those that are executed. I am at complete peace with the way we execute people, indeed the biggest problem is we take way too long. Agreed. I, for one, would VOLUNTEER, at no cost, to help execution crews. Sorry, 8th grade+ education required. |
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