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Default Re: OT: Paki Joke - 12-01-2005 , 12:14 AM






"WickeddollŽ" <wickeddoll1958DIEspammersDIE (AT) yahoo (DOT) com> wrote:
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Here in Ontario (Canada), there was a request by some Muslim groups to
legalize "Shariah" (sp?), which is a set of Muslim marriage/relationship
laws that supposedly give the male all the power. I don't know which
countries these particular Muslim groups came from, but thankfully our
otherwise inept premier (after some deliberation!) refused to allow it.

But is that really a problem for non-Muslims? Or were they trying to make
*everyone* abide by that law?

Natalie


Well Natalie...on one hand perhaps we 'should' allow emigrants
to keep their customs but OTOH what will our children take from
seeing (in this case) women being treated as less than equals?
even cruelly in some cases?...won't it (again in some cases) be
so prevalent that it'll seem natural for our kids?...it seems to
me that if I were to move to some country with very different
customs that I'd 'want' to 'fit in'. But, that's just not their
custom I guess.

Remember the Muslim woman in Florida (I think) who applied for a
driver's licence but wouldn't allow them to photograph her
face?...WooHoo...the fur flew there...

If we allow this deviation what happens when some people from
'very' different cultural backgrounds try to introduce some
customs that we 'cannot live with'?
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-Gord.
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Default Re: OT: Paki Joke - 12-01-2005 , 02:49 AM







"Gord Beaman" <gord (AT) islandtelecom (DOT) com> wrote

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"WickeddollŽ" <wickeddoll1958DIEspammersDIE (AT) yahoo (DOT) com> wrote:
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Here in Ontario (Canada), there was a request by some Muslim groups to
legalize "Shariah" (sp?), which is a set of Muslim marriage/relationship
laws that supposedly give the male all the power. I don't know which
countries these particular Muslim groups came from, but thankfully our
otherwise inept premier (after some deliberation!) refused to allow it.

But is that really a problem for non-Muslims? Or were they trying to make
*everyone* abide by that law?

Natalie


Well Natalie...on one hand perhaps we 'should' allow emigrants
to keep their customs but OTOH what will our children take from
seeing (in this case) women being treated as less than equals?
even cruelly in some cases?...won't it (again in some cases) be
so prevalent that it'll seem natural for our kids?...it seems to
me that if I were to move to some country with very different
customs that I'd 'want' to 'fit in'. But, that's just not their
custom I guess.

Remember the Muslim woman in Florida (I think) who applied for a
driver's licence but wouldn't allow them to photograph her
face?...WooHoo...the fur flew there...

If we allow this deviation what happens when some people from
'very' different cultural backgrounds try to introduce some
customs that we 'cannot live with'?
--

-Gord.
OK. Along those same lines, military guys marry Asian women from oppressed
countries, they bring them back here, and once some of them see how American
women live, they bag that subservient shit. Much to the guys' chagrin.

;-)

Natalie

























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Default Re: OT: Paki Joke - 12-01-2005 , 07:33 AM



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But is that really a problem for non-Muslims? Or were they trying to make
*everyone* abide by that law?
It was a law only for their "own"...
This being said, make no mistake, the moslem world has one goal, convert all
the "infidels"... Let them build their mosques and take a larger place in
our occidental society and in 50 years from now, we might find ourselves
living a different world... I hope I'm wrong though...




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Gord Beaman
 
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Default Re: OT: Paki Joke - 12-01-2005 , 08:30 AM



"WickeddollŽ" <wickeddoll1958DIEspammersDIE (AT) yahoo (DOT) com> wrote:

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"WickeddollŽ" <wickeddoll1958DIEspammersDIE (AT) yahoo (DOT) com> wrote:
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Here in Ontario (Canada), there was a request by some Muslim groups to
legalize "Shariah" (sp?), which is a set of Muslim marriage/relationship
laws that supposedly give the male all the power. I don't know which
countries these particular Muslim groups came from, but thankfully our
otherwise inept premier (after some deliberation!) refused to allow it.

But is that really a problem for non-Muslims? Or were they trying to make
*everyone* abide by that law?

Natalie


Well Natalie...on one hand perhaps we 'should' allow emigrants
to keep their customs but OTOH what will our children take from
seeing (in this case) women being treated as less than equals?
even cruelly in some cases?...won't it (again in some cases) be
so prevalent that it'll seem natural for our kids?...it seems to
me that if I were to move to some country with very different
customs that I'd 'want' to 'fit in'. But, that's just not their
custom I guess.

Remember the Muslim woman in Florida (I think) who applied for a
driver's licence but wouldn't allow them to photograph her
face?...WooHoo...the fur flew there...

If we allow this deviation what happens when some people from
'very' different cultural backgrounds try to introduce some
customs that we 'cannot live with'?
--

-Gord.

OK. Along those same lines, military guys marry Asian women from oppressed
countries, they bring them back here, and once some of them see how American
women live, they bag that subservient shit. Much to the guys' chagrin.

;-)

Natalie


Quite true...I'm still of the opinion that anyone wanting to
move here to live should make no demands of us, but should live
by the 'rules of our road', Should neither ask for nor expect any
special treatment...matter of fact I really believe that we're
all equal and nobody should expect special treatment.

You can easily tic me off, just mention Native Rights, Reserve,
Treaty and stuff like that...
--

-Gord.
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Default Re: OT: Paki Joke - 12-01-2005 , 08:37 AM



"Bassplayer12" <perettij (AT) nbnet (DOT) nb.ca> wrote:

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But is that really a problem for non-Muslims? Or were they trying to make
*everyone* abide by that law?

It was a law only for their "own"...
This being said, make no mistake, the moslem world has one goal, convert all
the "infidels"... Let them build their mosques and take a larger place in
our occidental society and in 50 years from now, we might find ourselves
living a different world... I hope I'm wrong though...

I'm quite sure you're not though...can you imagine the allure to
a young horny teen age guy of the promise of his very own group
of 100 young virgins?...any yet some say the Muslim religion is
non violent!...
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Default Re: OT: Paki Joke - 12-01-2005 , 09:19 AM



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special treatment...matter of fact I really believe that we're
all equal and nobody should expect special treatment.
It's precisely in the name of "equal treatment" that immigrants are asking
what they're asking. We may be reaping what we sewed. I know this is all
debatable.

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You can easily tic me off, just mention Native Rights, Reserve,
Treaty and stuff like that...
Sure but they were here before us and we took everything they had. The
problem lies in the fact that, now, they want the cake and eat it too.
Here in Canada, we had made them dependant on the welfare system. Many of
them never knew anything else before so, then again, we reap what we sewed.




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Default Re: OT: Paki Joke - 12-01-2005 , 09:49 AM



Bassplayer12 wrote:

Quote:
special treatment...matter of fact I really believe that we're
all equal and nobody should expect special treatment.

It's precisely in the name of "equal treatment" that immigrants are asking
what they're asking. We may be reaping what we sewed. I know this is all
debatable.
If they want to be treated equally, then they should NOT be looking for
special treatment just because of their ethnic background. A lot of
minorities who squawk about allegedly being discriminated against have
only themselves to blame for demanding such special treatment--case in
point, those Muslims demanding that "Shariah" be legalized here.


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WickeddollŽ
 
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Default Re: OT: Paki Joke - 12-01-2005 , 05:36 PM




"Bassplayer12" <perettij (AT) nbnet (DOT) nb.ca> wrote

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But is that really a problem for non-Muslims? Or were they trying to
make *everyone* abide by that law?

It was a law only for their "own"...
This being said, make no mistake, the moslem world has one goal, convert
all the "infidels"... Let them build their mosques and take a larger place
in our occidental society and in 50 years from now, we might find
ourselves living a different world... I hope I'm wrong though...

me too

Natalie







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WickeddollŽ
 
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Default Re: OT: Paki Joke - 12-01-2005 , 05:39 PM




"High Tech Misfit" <me (AT) privacy (DOT) net> wrote

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Bassplayer12 wrote:

special treatment...matter of fact I really believe that we're
all equal and nobody should expect special treatment.

It's precisely in the name of "equal treatment" that immigrants are
asking
what they're asking. We may be reaping what we sewed. I know this is all
debatable.

If they want to be treated equally, then they should NOT be looking for
special treatment just because of their ethnic background. A lot of
minorities who squawk about allegedly being discriminated against have
only themselves to blame for demanding such special treatment--case in
point, those Muslims demanding that "Shariah" be legalized here.
I see good points on both sides here, but I think it's way too easy to say,
"Well, since I'm a minority, I won't bother to try to take care of myself."

I refused to do that, and have never regretted it. Interestingly, my
husband had help with his early college tuitions simply for being the son of
Polish immigrants - but instead of looking for handouts, he was working
toward his future, which as some of you know, is quite successful now.
That's how it's *supposed* to be.

Natalie





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Default Re: OT: Paki Joke - 12-01-2005 , 08:38 PM



Quote:
special treatment...matter of fact I really believe that we're
all equal and nobody should expect special treatment.

It's precisely in the name of "equal treatment" that immigrants are
asking
what they're asking. We may be reaping what we sewed. I know this is all
debatable.

If they want to be treated equally, then they should NOT be looking for
special treatment just because of their ethnic background. A lot of
minorities who squawk about allegedly being discriminated against have
only themselves to blame for demanding such special treatment--case in
point, those Muslims demanding that "Shariah" be legalized here.
I agree with you. You've heard the saying: "some are more equal than
others". I think many demand to be.




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