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Re: {OT}: Va Tech Masacre -
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On Apr 17, 8:05 am, "Truckdude" <s... (AT) thedeecider (DOT) com> wrote: "ToMh" <tlh... (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote in message news:1176825158.731050.63140 (AT) y5g2000hsa (DOT) googlegroups.com... On Apr 17, 6:11 am, Leythos <V... (AT) nowhere (DOT) lan> wrote: On Tue, 17 Apr 2007 09:00:31 -0500, dbu., wrote: Australia's small Greens party called on Tuesday for a further review of the nation's gun control laws, saying the latest U.S. shooting involved a multiple-shot pistol and there were an estimated 250,000 handguns in Australia. And guns are not permitted by citizens in Iran, Iraq, and yet they have killings every day. They still have gun killings in Oz.... Jeesh! another fuckin right wing idiot. Who is this left calling for a ban. Did you see someone on Fox representing the entire "Left". Hate to break it to you, these people are a small minority who are dumb enough to think gun control could stop this kind of problem, but I see nothing wrong with having a discussion about it. Fact is studies have shown that neither gun control or lack of gun control, have any effect on violent crime. Even so, I think it is importent to know how a non-citizen here on a student visa got his guns. Fact is, if you compare gun deaths per capita in countries with gun control vs. the US, you will see a striking difference. But the murder rate isn't really much of a difference. |
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On Apr 17, 8:05 am, "Truckdude" <s... (AT) thedeecider (DOT) com> wrote: "ToMh" <tlh... (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote in message news:1176825158.731050.63140 (AT) y5g2000hsa (DOT) googlegroups.com... On Apr 17, 6:11 am, Leythos <V... (AT) nowhere (DOT) lan> wrote: On Tue, 17 Apr 2007 09:00:31 -0500, dbu., wrote: Australia's small Greens party called on Tuesday for a further review of the nation's gun control laws, saying the latest U.S. shooting involved a multiple-shot pistol and there were an estimated 250,000 handguns in Australia. And guns are not permitted by citizens in Iran, Iraq, and yet they have killings every day. They still have gun killings in Oz.... Jeesh! another fuckin right wing idiot. Who is this left calling for a ban. Did you see someone on Fox representing the entire "Left". Hate to break it to you, these people are a small minority who are dumb enough to think gun control could stop this kind of problem, but I see nothing wrong with having a discussion about it. Fact is studies have shown that neither gun control or lack of gun control, have any effect on violent crime. Even so, I think it is importent to know how a non-citizen here on a student visa got his guns. Fact is, if you compare gun deaths per capita in countries with gun control vs. the US, you will see a striking difference. But the murder rate isn't really much of a difference. |
see little that can be done about the gun problem in the US. There are far
too many guns, both legal and illegal, to ever get even 50% gun 'control'
and the NRA followers are right that if gun control is locked in place, the
criminals will be the only people around with guns, because righteous
citizens won't have them any more. I also subscribe to the view that "an
armed society is a polite society". Meaning that you think twice about
flipping someone off if you have any idea that he is armed, and you don't
start idiotic beefs with such a person either. But on the other hand the
gun control folks have a point that if an individual is deranged or out of
control angry, if he doesn't have a gun, he will do a lot less damage if
limited to a kitchen knife (or even a sword!).
That said, however, it does seem a shame that some folks (I think of Phil
Spector and his fascination with and frequent brandishing of guns) are able
to obtain guns when it's clear that they're timebombs waiting to ignite.
I also think that it's impossible to circumvent the frequent practice of
"straw buyers" of guns. I was appalled many years ago in a sporting goods
store when there was a young girl of 21 and ten minutes who, with a
girlfriend, was signing the papers to buy a S & W .38 revolver. She seemed
giggly and not terribly interested in the whole procedure, and the clerk was
a little reluctant to complete the transaction, but he did. I suddenly
realized with an icy chill down my back that she didn't want the gun at all,
but she was buying if for her boyfriend ...who likely had a criminal record
and as a felon, couldn't buy it! You'll never be able to stop this 'straw'
sales.
One final comment - it's my understanding that filing off the serial numbers
is an exercise in futility, since competent forensics people can discern
latent serial numbers even though the visible numbers are removed, since the
impressions of the numbers goes deep into the structure of the steel where
they're stamped.
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"ToMh" <tlh... (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote in message news:1176828708.980627.175630 (AT) p77g2000hsh (DOT) googlegroups.com... On Apr 17, 8:05 am, "Truckdude" <s... (AT) thedeecider (DOT) com> wrote: "ToMh" <tlh... (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote in message news:1176825158.731050.63140 (AT) y5g2000hsa (DOT) googlegroups.com... On Apr 17, 6:11 am, Leythos <V... (AT) nowhere (DOT) lan> wrote: On Tue, 17 Apr 2007 09:00:31 -0500, dbu., wrote: Australia's small Greens party called on Tuesday for a further review of the nation's gun control laws, saying the latest U.S. shooting involved a multiple-shot pistol and there were an estimated 250,000 handguns in Australia. And guns are not permitted by citizens in Iran, Iraq, and yet they have killings every day. They still have gun killings in Oz.... Jeesh! another fuckin right wing idiot. Who is this left calling for a ban. Did you see someone on Fox representing the entire "Left". Hate to break it to you, these people are a small minority who are dumb enough to think gun control could stop this kind of problem, but I see nothing wrong with having a discussion about it. Fact is studies have shown that neither gun control or lack of gun control, have any effect on violent crime. Even so, I think it is importent to know how a non-citizen here on a student visa got his guns. Fact is, if you compare gun deaths per capita in countries with gun control vs. the US, you will see a striking difference. But the murder rate isn't really much of a difference. Yes, the striking difference includes the murder rate. |
Your right, I just looked it up. Excluding 3rd world countries, the
murder rate in the US is shocking when compared to the rest of the
developed nations.
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On Tue, 17 Apr 2007 14:33:40 GMT, "Truckdude" <s... (AT) thedeecider (DOT) com wrote: "Scott in Florida" <askifyouw... (AT) mindspring (DOT) net> wrote in message news:cfe9235cq5fgb4rvm3cv5ftlo1ubhf6igl (AT) 4ax (DOT) com... On Tue, 17 Apr 2007 06:15:43 -0500, "n5hsr" <n... (AT) comcast (DOT) net> wrote: Let's pray for those who remain behind today and have to deal with this mess. 33 people including the shooter. It looks like some of the teachers were among the victims. Guns don't kill people. People with guns kill people. If just one person involved had had a concealed weapon...... -- Scott in Florida ....or if one nutjob South Korean student had not been able to buy guns last month just because he wanted to..... Or if the kids in that classroom had acted like the passengers on flight 93. Are we teaching our kids to just let a guy with HANDGUNS just kill them? What the hell are we teaching our kids these days? |
for my sense of saftey.
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Let's pray for those who remain behind today and have to deal with this mess. 33 people including the shooter. It looks like some of the teachers were among the victims. Guns don't kill people. People with guns kill people. |
don't kill people, people kill people.
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On Apr 17, 7:09 am, Scott in Florida <askifyouw... (AT) mindspring (DOT) net wrote: On Tue, 17 Apr 2007 14:33:40 GMT, "Truckdude" <s... (AT) thedeecider (DOT) com wrote: "Scott in Florida" <askifyouw... (AT) mindspring (DOT) net> wrote in message news:cfe9235cq5fgb4rvm3cv5ftlo1ubhf6igl (AT) 4ax (DOT) com... On Tue, 17 Apr 2007 06:15:43 -0500, "n5hsr" <n... (AT) comcast (DOT) net> wrote: Let's pray for those who remain behind today and have to deal with this mess. 33 people including the shooter. It looks like some of the teachers were among the victims. Guns don't kill people. People with guns kill people. If just one person involved had had a concealed weapon...... -- Scott in Florida ....or if one nutjob South Korean student had not been able to buy guns last month just because he wanted to..... Or if the kids in that classroom had acted like the passengers on flight 93. Are we teaching our kids to just let a guy with HANDGUNS just kill them? What the hell are we teaching our kids these days? Somehow a bunch of retards like yourself with guns doesn't do much for my sense of saftey. ROFL..... |
You sure should feel safer......
You lefties don't give me ANY sense of safety.....
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Scott in Florida
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How about a non-intervening God-- A deist view, if you will. |
The same as a non-intervenening accomplice in a murder. In the state of
Texas, let's say, God would be arrested and charged with murder for failure
to try and stop the murder in progress.
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"tak" <takirch (AT) frontiernet (DOT) net> wrote in message news:XQ5Vh.6803$B25.623 (AT) news01 (DOT) roc.ny... How about a non-intervening God-- A deist view, if you will. The same as a non-intervenening accomplice in a murder. In the state of Texas, let's say, God would be arrested and charged with murder for failure to try and stop the murder in progress. I think the deal is people have free will, if He intervenes, everything is |
anyway.
Praying for Divine intervention also presents an interesting dilemma in that
you pray to God to do something terrible to your enemies and they do the
same with their God against you. So who's God is stronger? Better? Whatever.
Sounds like ancient city-state politics.
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"Go Mavs" <GoMavz (AT) GoMavz (DOT) com> wrote in message news:RH8Vh.6022$0S1.901 (AT) trnddc01 (DOT) .. "tak" <takirch (AT) frontiernet (DOT) net> wrote in message news:XQ5Vh.6803$B25.623 (AT) news01 (DOT) roc.ny... How about a non-intervening God-- A deist view, if you will. The same as a non-intervenening accomplice in a murder. In the state of Texas, let's say, God would be arrested and charged with murder for failure to try and stop the murder in progress. I think the deal is people have free will, if He intervenes, everything is pre-ordained and what a person does, matters not, it was going to happen anyway. |
salvation. If this truly is a big lesson. If we are here to learn and grow
spiritually by experiencing the worst of the worst then God is not all
powerful. If God was all powerful then he could teach us with out us having
to experience it ourselves.If God was all powerful then we could live the
utopia he dreams for us without having to go through the pain of finding it.
I understand all the corners of divine intervention and being omnipotent...
I am saying that if God needs a person to feel pain then he is party to
causing that pain because he is suposedly "all knowing" and controls all.
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Praying for Divine intervention also presents an interesting dilemma in that you pray to God to do something terrible to your enemies and they do the same with their God against you. So who's God is stronger? Better? Whatever. Sounds like ancient city-state politics. |
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"tak" <takirch (AT) frontiernet (DOT) net> wrote in message news:zb9Vh.6924$ya1.4728 (AT) news02 (DOT) roc.ny... "Go Mavs" <GoMavz (AT) GoMavz (DOT) com> wrote in message news:RH8Vh.6022$0S1.901 (AT) trnddc01 (DOT) .. "tak" <takirch (AT) frontiernet (DOT) net> wrote in message news:XQ5Vh.6803$B25.623 (AT) news01 (DOT) roc.ny... How about a non-intervening God-- A deist view, if you will. The same as a non-intervenening accomplice in a murder. In the state of Texas, let's say, God would be arrested and charged with murder for failure to try and stop the murder in progress. I think the deal is people have free will, if He intervenes, everything is pre-ordained and what a person does, matters not, it was going to happen anyway. That's where this question comes into hand. If this truly is a plan of salvation. If this truly is a big lesson. If we are here to learn and grow spiritually by experiencing the worst of the worst then God is not all powerful. If God was all powerful then he could teach us with out us having to experience it ourselves.If God was all powerful then we could live the utopia he dreams for us without having to go through the pain of finding it. I understand all the corners of divine intervention and being omnipotent... I am saying that if God needs a person to feel pain then he is party to causing that pain because he is suposedly "all knowing" and controls all. Praying for Divine intervention also presents an interesting dilemma in that you pray to God to do something terrible to your enemies and they do the same with their God against you. So who's God is stronger? Better? Whatever. Sounds like ancient city-state politics. See if this interests you: http://www.thegodtheory.com/ |
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