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Re: Prius fails Gerogia emissions test.... -
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"Jeff" <news (AT) googlemail (DOT) com> wrote in message news:CgBVh.3944$Qp.3293 (AT) trnddc07 (DOT) .. "Truckdude" <shrub (AT) thedeecider (DOT) com> wrote in message news:HdBVh.3943$Qp.2202 (AT) trnddc07 (DOT) .. "Jeff" <news (AT) googlemail (DOT) com> wrote in message news:5XAVh.3935$Qp.229 (AT) trnddc07 (DOT) .. "Truckdude" <shrub (AT) thedeecider (DOT) com> wrote in message news:0PAVh.7890$xL6.6229 (AT) trnddc05 (DOT) .. "Jeff" <news (AT) googlemail (DOT) com> wrote in message news:cDAVh.4833$nU4.1397 (AT) trnddc03 (DOT) .. "Truckdude" <shrub (AT) thedeecider (DOT) com> wrote in message news:7azVh.1676$jR5.1659 (AT) trnddc08 (DOT) .. "Jeff" <news (AT) googlemail (DOT) com> wrote in message news:SqxVh.11386$h8.4979 (AT) trnddc06 (DOT) .. "Mike Hunter" <mikehunt2 (AT) mailcity (DOT) com> wrote in message news:P62dnSAR5qrhPLvbnZ2dnUVZ_vOlnZ2d (AT) ptd (DOT) net... DUH, CO2 is not a pollutant, without it all vegetation on earth would die. Without the greenhouse gases, that hold heat in the atmosphere, we could not live on the earth. Yet, with too much greenhouse gas, like on Venus, the Earth will get too hot. DOH! CO2 is also a poison. When I was doing lab research, rats were euthanized with CO2. CO2 nearly posioned the astronauts on the Apollo 13 mission (according to the book _The_Lost_Moon_ by James Lovell). If the concentration of CO2 in your body goes up by 50%, your blood pH will go down and you will start breathing real fast (this is called respiratory acidosis). Jeff You in the medical field? I retired from that field. What area specifically? I ask because I am an RN and it was odd seeing blood gas terminology here. Pediatrics. But I am teacher of teenagers now. Teenagers in Harlem. Great kids, really. Though it always doesn't show. Jeff Me too. Pediatric Cardiac/Solid Organ Transplant ICU to be specific. Kids (newborn to 18 years) with congenital defects, arrhythmias, along with heart and other solid organ transplants. Are you a retired physician? No, changed careers. The insurance would have driven me nuts. OK, not a retired physician. Were you a pediatrician before changing careers? |
for me.
Jeff
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CO2 is also a poison. When I was doing lab research, rats were euthanized with CO2. CO2 nearly posioned the astronauts on the Apollo 13 mission (according to the book _The_Lost_Moon_ by James Lovell). If the concentration of CO2 in your body goes up by 50%, your blood pH will go down and you will start breathing real fast (this is called respiratory acidosis). Jeff You in the medical field? I retired from that field. |
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What killed the rats was displacement of the oxygen in the air by the COs, some of which was exhaled by the rats. LOL |
Second, what killed the rats was the high CO2 concentration in their blood
stream. They did with maybe 15 seconds, which is far to fast for the oxygen
to get depleted.
CO2 is an acid. It gets converted to carbonic acid in the blood (HCO3- + H+
when the CO2 dissolves in blood). It causes the blood pH to drop to low
levels. This is what killed the rats. If there were 50% O2 and 50% CO2, the
results would have been the same.
Jeff
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mike "Jeff" <news (AT) googlemail (DOT) com> wrote CO2 is also a poison. When I was doing lab research, rats were euthanized with CO2. CO2 nearly posioned the astronauts on the Apollo 13 mission (according to the book _The_Lost_Moon_ by James Lovell). If the concentration of CO2 in your body goes up by 50%, your blood pH will go down and you will start breathing real fast (this is called respiratory acidosis). Jeff You in the medical field? I retired from that field. |
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What killed the rats was displacement of the oxygen in the air by the COs, some of which was exhaled by the rats. LOL mike "Jeff" <news (AT) googlemail (DOT) com> wrote CO2 is also a poison. When I was doing lab research, rats were euthanized with CO2. CO2 nearly posioned the astronauts on the Apollo 13 mission (according to the book _The_Lost_Moon_ by James Lovell). If the concentration of CO2 in your body goes up by 50%, your blood pH will go down and you will start breathing real fast (this is called respiratory acidosis). Jeff You in the medical field? I retired from that field. |
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A little more research before posting WBMA. |
Some research before posting. A little more implies that he does some
already. ;-)
Jeff
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"Mike Hunter" <mikehunt2 (AT) mailcity (DOT) com> wrote in message news:VKSdnX_e-YkJwrrbnZ2dneKdnZydnZ2d (AT) ptd (DOT) net... What killed the rats was displacement of the oxygen in the air by the COs, some of which was exhaled by the rats. LOL mike "Jeff" <news (AT) googlemail (DOT) com> wrote CO2 is also a poison. When I was doing lab research, rats were euthanized with CO2. CO2 nearly posioned the astronauts on the Apollo 13 mission (according to the book _The_Lost_Moon_ by James Lovell). If the concentration of CO2 in your body goes up by 50%, your blood pH will go down and you will start breathing real fast (this is called respiratory acidosis). Jeff You in the medical field? I retired from that field. |
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| "Jeff" <news (AT) googlemail (DOT) com> wrote in message news:SqxVh.11386$h8.4979 (AT) trnddc06 (DOT) .. "Mike Hunter" <mikehunt2 (AT) mailcity (DOT) com> wrote in message news:P62dnSAR5qrhPLvbnZ2dnUVZ_vOlnZ2d (AT) ptd (DOT) net... DUH, CO2 is not a pollutant, without it all vegetation on earth would die. Without the greenhouse gases, that hold heat in the atmosphere, we could not live on the earth. Yet, with too much greenhouse gas, like on Venus, the Earth will get too hot. DOH! CO2 is also a poison. When I was doing lab research, rats were euthanized with CO2. CO2 nearly posioned the astronauts on the Apollo 13 mission (according to the book _The_Lost_Moon_ by James Lovell). If the concentration of CO2 in your body goes up by 50%, your blood pH will go down and you will start breathing real fast (this is called respiratory acidosis). Jeff You in the medical field? |
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On Wed, 18 Apr 2007 20:53:45 +0000, Go Mavs wrote: "Cathy F." <clfr (AT) adelphiadot (DOT) net> wrote in message news:LKSdnQ1jlJgCHrvb4p2dnA (AT) giganews (DOT) com... "Scott in Florida" <askifyouwant (AT) mindspring (DOT) net> wrote in message news:0bqc23h10ithq3tp3515686rq70i9j49cq (AT) 4ax (DOT) com... http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=6931 Your subject line is completely misleading. It implies that the emissions are too high & don't meet the state emissions standard, which of course is ludicrous. Cathy It's a knee jerk reaction that many of these environmental damage deniers live on. The entire "their is no solid proof that the current global warming trend is being caused by us so let's keep polluting and mocking those who are concerned" attitude is ridiculous at best. But...there is no solid proof the warming trend is being caused by us! See my other posts on the matter. You are (I think) sort of new here; a few months ago (maybe a year?) I posted a post about a paper I did for a Geology course I was taking in College wherein I put forth the propostition that warming occurred prior to an ice age, and based it on the fact that August is the hottest month of the year, 6 weeks after the sun has reached it's highest point. In 1975 there wasn't a lot of reference to draw upon, so it was a LOT of inference. The biggest part of what I presented was that the Earth does not orbit the Sun uniformly, and at times orbit closer (warmer periods) and at others is further out (ice ages). I believe we are on the verge of beginning the swing outward again, and the Earth is warming because we are nearing the cycle in the orbit pattern that brings us the closest to the sun. Interestingly enough, studies of Antarctic ice have so far shown my 'theory' to be correct! (Believe me, it's something I keep an eye on!) I posted a reference to some of the material I have run across in another post. But the bottom line is, I don't believe we have as much an effect on climate change as we would be led to believe. There are a LOT greater factors to take into consideration! Do greenhouse gasses play a part? I would believe so, but remember there were those in the 50's that believed the emissions caused by burning (anything) for energy would bring on cooling! (as you can see, this is a particularly interesting area of study for me. Had I gone into Geology instead of Electronics, I would have persued this!) |
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DUH, CO2 is not a pollutant, without it all vegetation on earth would die. Without the greenhouse gases, that hold heat in the atmosphere, we could not live on the earth. mike "Go Mavs" <GoMavz (AT) GoMavz (DOT) com> wrote in message news:tzvVh.1614$jR5.74 (AT) trnddc08 (DOT) .. "Cathy F." <clfr (AT) adelphiadot (DOT) net> wrote in message news:LKSdnQ1jlJgCHrvb4p2dnA (AT) giganews (DOT) com... "Scott in Florida" <askifyouwant (AT) mindspring (DOT) net> wrote in message news:0bqc23h10ithq3tp3515686rq70i9j49cq (AT) 4ax (DOT) com... http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=6931 Your subject line is completely misleading. It implies that the emissions are too high & don't meet the state emissions standard, which of course is ludicrous. Cathy It's a knee jerk reaction that many of these environmental damage deniers live on. The entire "their is no solid proof that the current global warming trend is being caused by us so let's keep polluting and mocking those who are concerned" attitude is ridiculous at best. |
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100% of all peer review scientific papers in respectable journals conclude that humans contribute to global warming. The others were paid for by Exxon and people like George Bush. |
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/relea...0010611-2.html
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/relea...0070207-5.html
Ditto ExxonMobile:
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"Hachiroku ????" <Trueno (AT) AE86 (DOT) gts> wrote in message news:11wVh.3689$BS2.1645 (AT) trndny01 (DOT) .. On Wed, 18 Apr 2007 20:53:45 +0000, Go Mavs wrote: "Cathy F." <clfr (AT) adelphiadot (DOT) net> wrote in message news:LKSdnQ1jlJgCHrvb4p2dnA (AT) giganews (DOT) com... "Scott in Florida" <askifyouwant (AT) mindspring (DOT) net> wrote in message news:0bqc23h10ithq3tp3515686rq70i9j49cq (AT) 4ax (DOT) com... http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=6931 Your subject line is completely misleading. It implies that the emissions are too high & don't meet the state emissions standard, which of course is ludicrous. Cathy It's a knee jerk reaction that many of these environmental damage deniers live on. The entire "their is no solid proof that the current global warming trend is being caused by us so let's keep polluting and mocking those who are concerned" attitude is ridiculous at best. But...there is no solid proof the warming trend is being caused by us! See my other posts on the matter. You are (I think) sort of new here; a few months ago (maybe a year?) I posted a post about a paper I did for a Geology course I was taking in College wherein I put forth the propostition that warming occurred prior to an ice age, and based it on the fact that August is the hottest month of the year, 6 weeks after the sun has reached it's highest point. In 1975 there wasn't a lot of reference to draw upon, so it was a LOT of inference. The biggest part of what I presented was that the Earth does not orbit the Sun uniformly, and at times orbit closer (warmer periods) and at others is further out (ice ages). I believe we are on the verge of beginning the swing outward again, and the Earth is warming because we are nearing the cycle in the orbit pattern that brings us the closest to the sun. Interestingly enough, studies of Antarctic ice have so far shown my 'theory' to be correct! (Believe me, it's something I keep an eye on!) I posted a reference to some of the material I have run across in another post. But the bottom line is, I don't believe we have as much an effect on climate change as we would be led to believe. There are a LOT greater factors to take into consideration! Do greenhouse gasses play a part? I would believe so, but remember there were those in the 50's that believed the emissions caused by burning (anything) for energy would bring on cooling! (as you can see, this is a particularly interesting area of study for me. Had I gone into Geology instead of Electronics, I would have persued this!) |
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"Art" <begunaNOSPAMPLEASE (AT) mindspring (DOT) com> wrote in message news:H6MVh.1787$Ut6.1266 (AT) newsread1 (DOT) news.pas.earthlink.net... 100% of all peer review scientific papers in respectable journals conclude that humans contribute to global warming. The others were paid for by Exxon and people like George Bush. What makes you think that George Bush doesn't believe in Global Warming? http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/relea...0010611-2.html http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/relea...0070207-5.html Ditto ExxonMobil: |
Sorry, I sent it before I was finished.
Jeff
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"Hachiroku ????" <Trueno (AT) AE86 (DOT) gts> wrote in message news:11wVh.3689$BS2.1645 (AT) trndny01 (DOT) .. On Wed, 18 Apr 2007 20:53:45 +0000, Go Mavs wrote: "Cathy F." <clfr (AT) adelphiadot (DOT) net> wrote in message news:LKSdnQ1jlJgCHrvb4p2dnA (AT) giganews (DOT) com... "Scott in Florida" <askifyouwant (AT) mindspring (DOT) net> wrote in message news:0bqc23h10ithq3tp3515686rq70i9j49cq (AT) 4ax (DOT) com... http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=6931 Your subject line is completely misleading. It implies that the emissions are too high & don't meet the state emissions standard, which of course is ludicrous. Cathy It's a knee jerk reaction that many of these environmental damage deniers live on. The entire "their is no solid proof that the current global warming trend is being caused by us so let's keep polluting and mocking those who are concerned" attitude is ridiculous at best. But...there is no solid proof the warming trend is being caused by us! See my other posts on the matter. You are (I think) sort of new here; a few months ago (maybe a year?) I posted a post about a paper I did for a Geology course I was taking in College wherein I put forth the propostition that warming occurred prior to an ice age, and based it on the fact that August is the hottest month of the year, 6 weeks after the sun has reached it's highest point. In 1975 there wasn't a lot of reference to draw upon, so it was a LOT of inference. The biggest part of what I presented was that the Earth does not orbit the Sun uniformly, and at times orbit closer (warmer periods) and at others is further out (ice ages). I believe we are on the verge of beginning the swing outward again, and the Earth is warming because we are nearing the cycle in the orbit pattern that brings us the closest to the sun. Interestingly enough, studies of Antarctic ice have so far shown my 'theory' to be correct! (Believe me, it's something I keep an eye on!) I posted a reference to some of the material I have run across in another post. But the bottom line is, I don't believe we have as much an effect on climate change as we would be led to believe. There are a LOT greater factors to take into consideration! Do greenhouse gasses play a part? I would believe so, but remember there were those in the 50's that believed the emissions caused by burning (anything) for energy would bring on cooling! (as you can see, this is a particularly interesting area of study for me. Had I gone into Geology instead of Electronics, I would have persued this!) |
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